“We need to learn not only how to hype “hip” cities, but think about how to restore them as aspirational places for those who aren’t members of the privileged and cool set.”
Link: Forbes.com – The Hollow Boom of Brooklyn
That’s the last and probably best line of this great article on Forbes. The only thing is that over the last decade or so, you don’t become a member of the “cool set” – you simply proclaim yourself as one and become a filthy annoying attention-starved hipster; it can be done over night.
Yeah, Brooklyn has some pretty rough and fucked up areas; I blame that on this city’s administration back in the 50′s – 60′s who created projects to sweep minorities into. This caused sort of a ’Lord of the Flies’ situation for people being born into these projects and the neighborhoods surrounding them. With no money or resources they are literally battling each other and not just “the white man” any more. They saw and still see drugs, guns, and gangs as the only option in life – they know nothing else. This keeps the good people of these communities stuck and not able to move forward in most cases. I don’t see these parts of Brooklyn changing any time soon. However it would be funny to see a group of Hamiltons, Pipers, Joshes, and Colbys take one of their exploration walking tours out to these hoods and get the shit scared out of them.
That’s why I’m so against these fucking hipsters “discovering” the parts of Brooklyn that are doing fine. Where we have hardly any crime, drug or gang problems. Where rents – although affected over the last decade by North Brooklyn rent inflation – are still somewhat manageable even though I still think they’re ridiculous. Where our coffee/tea is still about a dollar. Where we eat non-organic, not overpriced food. Where we don’t need or want bike lanes. Where there is zero pretension. Where parks are filled with children and not 30 year old kidults trying to out do each others daily hipster costumes.
Here’s a little example of how it is a fact that privileged fly-over state fauxhemian fucking hipsters are the sole cause of our ridiculously high rents. In the late 90′s – aside from Williamsburg already seeing high rents – just about anywhere in Brooklyn, you could get a 1 bedroom for $500 – 600 a month. Now the rents are exactly double that which coincides with the time NYC/Brooklyn has had a hipster infestation. Never in this city’s history have rents doubled in one decade. It’s fucking insane and disgusting! And please hipster defenders; don’t tell me its the greedy landlords fault. They aren’t stealing the money – its gladly being handed over to them by idiot try-hards who want to live in a cool zip.
If the rents doubled from decade to decade here’s what we’d be paying now. Let’s say in 1900 the rent was $10. Now watch this – let’s double it per decade until the year 2010.
1910 – $20
1920 – $40
1930 – $80
1940 – $160
1950 – $320
1960 – $640
1970 – $1280
1980 – $2560
1990 – $5120
2000 – $10240
2010 – $20480
There’s the proof that hipsters are responsible for today’s ridiculous rents because rents have doubled since they arrived. If it were true that this has always been the trend, then we would pay an average of $20480 per month now. Stay above the line fuckos!

Caught this the other night:
http://www.hgtv.com/house-hunters-international/engaged-couple-moves-to-london-for-his-career/index.html
It was every horrible hipster stereotype come to life. I could have paid my rent if I had a dollar for every time these fucks compared London back to Williamsburg or New York. The girl was particularly insufferable, insisting that she needed to find a job in fashion or some other creative industry and needed to live in a creative neighborhood with other creative people. The guy was some ginger beta-male herb that she was using to support her lifestyle.
You see a lot of them on this show. What gets me is that at the onset of each episode the happy hiptards are all about diversity, nightlife, bike paths and “yahhh Berlin/Prague/London is sooo much more sophisticated than America”.
but wtach how they turn into little whiners and they start making fun of what really is a typical Euro – apartment: small, small appliances, little water pressure, few amenities and high rent. They get down right rude – and insufferable. I saw one episode based in Berlin where I swear the realtor was gonna hit them with a shovel.
Amen. I just kept waiting for the realtor to scream, “If Williamsburg was so great then fucking move back there you entitled pseudo-creative assholes!”
I saw an expose recently of that show (and the others of that genre on HGTV). Seems the “week-long” hunt actually takes a month or more, and starts with taping the jerks trudging through everything that’s available; them finally selecting roughly what they whiningly demand; being rejected for whatever reason; repeat; repeat; repeat; finally score; back-tape the staged discussion about which one is the toniest (or whatever); and then a BUNCH of intercutting to make the final production product look like there were only three sites to choose from. Typical TV hipster bullshit,,,
The really sad part? For all of that noise about living in a creative environment with other creative people, these are the sorts who hide in their apartments except when they want to put on a show. They don’t want an actual community: they want a regularly rotating audience for how quirky and original they are. If they were really creative, they’d understand that getting an isolated spot is better, because then they’d actually have the time to be creative without interruption. I now understand why warehouse space used to be so important for real artists, and it wasn’t just because of the usable space. It’s a matter of being able to get things done without interruptions, and you can’t get shit done when you have a crowd of wannabes constantly knocking and wanting to know “Whatchadoin’?”
Hah! So true. After the novelty wears off, they always start bitching about how small the apartment (er, “flat”) is and regurgitate their dreams of having a spacious “open concept” home — i.e., the total opposite of European city housing. I love their facial expressions as they walk into tiny kitchens and tiny “water closets.” Insufferable indeed.
I’ve never watched the show, and I don’t think I’m about to after reading these comments. But having been born half-English (and half-American, for that matter) in Aylesbury, raised to a certain age in London (NW2) in the late 50s / early 60s, and having numerous relatives who still reside in and near the Home Counties, I can’t imagine how hipsters would react to the British standard of “central heating” in older dwellings (late-17th-18th-early 19th Century).
These are numerous former “cold-water flats” in Inner London, which are just the sort of residences that American cool kids find so “cute” and want to live in. Generally, durning the colder months, the salon &/or parlor (living room) and perhaps half the dining room are hotter than hell; the other half of the dining room and the kitchen vary between hot and brisk, depending on what activities are going on in the kitchen. Invariably, the bedrooms are icy little boxes with a view of an airshaft or brick wall and damp on the walls, even is Summer. Multiple quilts are a necessity, and need to be cycled out to the salon on a regular basis to dry out in that room’s tropical heat. You can’t expect much more out of a structure that’s made of brick, is uninsulated in any manner, and originally just had a skim of plaster over lath mounted to the inside of the bricks to approximate an inner wall – the damp just soaks straight through. This is not even to say that by American standards a vintage London flat is tiny; hell, by Lower East Side tenament standards, Inner London flats are cramped.
Most exciting of all is that as foreign urban pioneers in London, they’ll be looked upon by the locals as just another insufferable foreign ponce with a superiority complex – and worse yet, American – who deserve every bad thing that is undoubtedly going to come their way living in a neighborhood that’s even remotely accessable from Spitalfields. If you don’t dig economic and ethnic diversity, Inner London is NOT the place to live.
“mustn’t grumble” is everything alien to the hipster creed.
As is “Keep Calm and Carry On.” It’s more like “Carry On Like an Over-Caffienated Idiot and Cry Publically When Others Call You On Your Lazy-Ass Bullshit.”
Damn, according to these criteria I have a cutting edge European apartment!
And I really like this right below it on the HGTV page linked ^:
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Hipsters are Liberal Racists. There so dumb and snotty they dont even know how offensive and racist they are.
They’re not liberal. They think and act like they are, but they are uninformed technology lackeys.
Brooklyn is thriving indeed! Brooklyn has parks where the children play games with ghey abandon. Cardboard Tube tournaments and Kickball and oh my. Wheeee. Look and this bit of hipster faggotry.
http://greenpointers.com/2012/09/04/cardboard-tube-fighting-tournament-at-mccarren-park-video/
Most of those “Ghey Fehgs” look well north of 30. At least one looks like he’s pushing 50. I really, really, really don’t understand these people. This is like something I would have loved to do when I was about 10 years old.
Besides, if they have so much money that they can blow $3,000/month on rent plus $15 breakfasts at Egg plus Starbucks plus MacBooks…. Why the fuck don’t they find something more interesting to do?
If that was me, I would be on a tropical island somewhere or in Rio having Pina Coladas served to me by topless native girls. Instead of Starbucks and Organic feces pizza, I would be enjoying great food, great coffees and fine wines. On days off, I would go barracuda fishing or rock climbing or skydiving. If I want art I could travel to Paris, visit the Louvre and hang out with real artists who can actually paint or sculpt.
Anything. Anything except live in an overpriced hip shithole in Billyworld.
“My name is Joshua Hager and my title is The Blind Goat Knight.” No comedy writer could come up with a better hipster parody than this.
Watching that pussy shit just set my teeth on edge. My first impulse was to just start wailing on that dude. Slide a pipe inside that cardboard tube and go to town. Go easy at first so he doesn’t know, and then one good swing to his cardboard helmet. “Oh, hey man, was that too hard? Oh, sorry, my bad.” Rinse. Repeat.
By posting this Beta-Fest article you’re just inviting the greenpointers.com twinkies to leave their kiddie pool behind and wander over here to whine like ‘tweens about the bad names they get called by those bad people on DH.
I just showed my son that video. He wants to join with some of his boys (real 20 something Brooklyn kids) and use the rolls from the butcher block paper and beat the crap out of them. He said it’s like PVC and would hurt like hell. Ahhhh, my little hipster beaters TNG! ; )
You’re right, it’s simple economics. The prices go up because these bastards are willing to pay them putting the prices on par almost with Manhattan. Go play kickball in Crown heights or Bed-Sty.
“In the late 90′s – aside from Williamsburg already seeing high rents – just about anywhere in Brooklyn, you could get a 1 bedroom for $500 – 600 a month.”
Puhlezze. Untrue. I know because I was renting in Brooklyn in the late 90′s. There were SOME place in Brooklyn where you could get a 1br for that price, but not in many, MANY neighborhoods. You’re not old enough to remember are you DH? The same way you didn’t know most people didn’t work on 9/11/01. You’re suspect.
Wow you really gave your self up now you hipster fuck. You mean to tell me you were consistently looking for apartments in south Brooklyn in the late 90′s? If you were you’d know the prices were 500 – 600. Maybe 700 tops. You’re a transient try hard. Next, I walked back into Brooklyn over the Manhattan bridge on 9/11. Why? because I have a job. I was in the city by 830am. You really are a “Northaside Ned” aren’t you?
You didn’t say South Brooklyn Einstein. You said anywhere in Brooklyn aside from Williamsburg. I walked over the Williamsburg bridge on 9/11. Why because I had a job. And because I had a job, I know that most people didn’t work on 9/11. In fact my office was closed for a week afterwards.
BTW you’re grasp of economics is laughable. Compounding double rents by the decade. Ha.
Sure Stevie, just like your grasp of manliness.
Weren’t you the idiot lamenting hipster’s alleged ‘organized racism’?
Little yellow rice dick, huh?
I’m sure with self awareness like that there is no way you’re a wacko job.
Ned you’re extra mad today! Out of soy milk? Or did the website youre addicted to (this one) make you really feel like you don’t belong in Brooklyn today? Never said I was an economics expert Nasal Ned; but since rents have doubled pretty much everywhere in the last 10-15 years – tell me another decade where the same happened.
Soy milk? What are you talking about?
There is no doubt there has been a boom in Brooklyn the last 15 or so years. But it’s not going to compound 100% by decade. It will eventually flat line or recess like anything else. And rents haven’t doubled in Broooklyn in the last 10 years. Maybe in a few select neighborhoods, but not across the board.
Soy milk? Never heard of it! Hipsters don’t exist either!
Gas yourself.
“…And rents haven’t doubled in Broooklyn in the last 10 years. Maybe in a few select neighborhoods, but not across the board.”
Huh? Huh!
Read that Forbes article. Only those fake ass art enclave neighborhoods have boomed. The rest of Brooklyn, the USA, the world has went to shit. There ain’t no middle class anymore yo.
The fakeass ART ART ART neighborhoods came up because of Daddy Daddy Daddy’s money. Hipsturds came here on their daddy’s dime and turned formerly paying entry level jobs into unpaid internships. How does a neighborhood boom if none of these fucks has a paying job? Because Daddy subsidizes those thick eyeglass beard-on-a-stick frauds with the Wall Street money he made working for The Man.
Getting a hipster to admit he gets money every month from his parents is lots of fun. Their eyes get shifty, they get fidgety and break out in a sweat. They start mumbling and try to change the subject.
BULLSHIT
I lived in Brooklyn on S. 2nd, between Marcy and Havemeyer (Williamsburg!), in 1997/8 and had a TWO bedroom for $750. Rents were exploding right around this time- when we got the place, we thought it was a bit high, but when we left it was a great deal.
Prior, I had a place in Manhattan (1995/6) @ 13th btw 2/3rd, 2 bedroom for $995. (I also lived on 7th between 1st and Ave A briefly). My friends had a 3 bd on Ave D, right across from those towers, for $900 in 1993-98, IIRC. These places were considered a,a zing deals when we were moving out, as rents all over had jumped.
Thanks for the excellent link. People need to stop thinking of Brooklyn as a monolith. When people say they love Brooklyn, it’s similar to saying “I want to go to Africa someday.” Yeah, which country? There are more than sixty and they’re as different as Alabama is from Alaska. People are really referring to White Brooklyn or Perceptibly Safe Brooklyn. But you see this with any large city. Up until recently saying you’d been to Rio de Janeiro usually meant you’d been to a swath of beachfront awash in foreign investment and tourist-friendly trappings. People can be excused for not going into dangerous areas, but they should at least cut the crap and acknowledge that they are lucky enough to live in an affluent neighborhood and prefer to mingle among their own kind. Stop fetishizing Brooklyn’s crime and poverty as if it doesn’t exist. It exists and it doesn’t mess around, governor.
“People need to stop thinking of Brooklyn as a monolith.”
Exactly, but curious to see some common sense on a site that treats everything as a monolith. Even hipsters. Who are the hipsters? A 22 year old student in Bushwick? A lawyer in prime Williamsburg? An Ad executive buying a 2 million dollar brownstone in Ft. Greene? A slacker Barista in ProCro? It doesn’t even make any sense.
Ned, there is no logic on these boards. Its just anger. And god bless them for it. They have their little space to get angry so hopefully they aren’t on the streets turning their anger into real violence. Good luck trying to convince them of seeing the world differently.
They changed me. Made me be more critical of the trends around me. And I thank them for it.
They also taught me about online bullying and trolling – and how to gain thick skin.
And I thank them for that.
Diehipster is good for the world. God bless Diehipster! Continue on, Diehipster!
Thanks Ed. But the bigger question is: “Where do we go from here?” Occupyyyyyyyyyyyy!!! Smash everything you own made by corporations to pieces!!!!!!!
You can do it Ed!
haha, ok.
Thought you said you were “moving on with your life.”
That implies he had one. Besides, “moving on with my life” is hipsterspeak for “nobody’s paying attention to me any more, so kiss my ass and beg me to come back before I start cutting myself.”
What doesn’t make sense? You mean you’re on this site but you haven’t figured out what a hipster is? I’m always amazed by people who are on the internet asking for information. Here is a hint: Any of the imaginary beings you cite CAN be hipsters. You could just as easily ask, “Who are the Latinos?” and follow with the same damned list.
So it’s a coverall classification for any middle to upper class white person under 50 you don’t approve of?
I’m not being coy. Of course, I know what people THINK they mean when they say ‘hipster’, but on a purely semantical level it really doesn’t really make any sense. The fact that it could include people as disparate as those in the scenario I outlined above sort of proves that.
Semantical? How doesn’t it “make sense?” It’s a word, it has a meaning. Is it a generalization? Yes, most words are. That doesn’t make it invalid. I don’t think anyone said that every single person living in Williamsburg is a hipster. It’s simply more likely to be hipsters there. It’s a pretty simple concept, but, yes, a generalization. Like saying, “a lot of German people in Germany.” If you responded, “But! But! Not everyone in Germany is German! There’s all sorts of people there!” you would be formally correct but missing the point.
“So it’s a coverall classification for any middle to upper class white person under 50 you don’t approve of?”
No.
“The fact that it could include people as disparate as those in the scenario I outlined above sort of proves that.”
No it doesn’t. And you either prove something, or you don’t. Hint: You cannot prove that something “doesn’t make sense.” If it doesn’t make sense to you, that is your problem and you should work on making sense of it.
so, in other words there is no such thing as a hipster. in essence this is what you are claiming. this example of extreme nominalism is unconvincing.
hipsters are real…
No Ned, you know who the hipsters are. I know by your posts you are not a stupid guy, so don’t play stupid. I live in Williamsburg and am a native New Yorker so I will illuminate for you the various categories of white people UNDER 50 in the area. There are the native New Yorkers like myself. You can distinguish us by our accents, our NY team shirts and hats, and our pissed off expressions caused by all the hipster invaders. Then there are the yuppies (some native and some transplants), dressed and out the door by 9 a.m. to actually WORK. There are the tourists/foreigners whose loud accents give them away. There are the hard working transplants from other states who mind their own business and do their best to make NY their new home. All of the above are tolerable because they do their own thing and are quite amicable people. Finally, there are the useless, jobless, dirty, try-hard, flea/bed-bug infested bearded men and women known as hipsters who have a nasty attitude until you body check them, at which point they look down and scurry away like the filthy vermin they are. THE END.
LOL
ah, hello modsy…..lol….just a matter of time, wasn’t it sport? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!
People need to stop thinking of Northside Ned as someone whose comments are worth responding to.
So true! He is an angry, self- loathing, hipster loserrrrrr.
Have the rents really ever been that cheap? I turned 18 in 2003 and I remember the standard apartment price being about $1300 (the cheapest I found was a walk-in closet for $900 on the island which I was pretty much forced to take unless I wanted to continue to live in my car). Then I moved from NY to the Poconos for a few years where I got really really spoiled – $525 a month for a two bedroom apartment in the middle of town. My mom moved out to the Poconos a decade ago because of the prices, and commutes to the Bronx for work because even with gas or Martz Bus its cheaper. $600 a month? When, in the 80′s? My family has owned a brownstone in Carrol Gardens since the 20′s and I don’t even think our apartments were that cheap back then lol
Yes, I had a 2 BD, 1 bath in S Williamsburg for $750 in 1997-98. (that the block was one ling heroin open market was beside the point.)
I also got a full 2-bedroom apt for $750 in 1997 in Williamsburg and I still have the same apartment to this day! I’m right about at the corner of Grand & Union Ave. Today my rent is up to $1094. At the time, we were concerned the rent was a bit high but we took it anyway. That was after turning down a 4 room railroad in bushwick that was $600.
In my country when british troops came into our neighborhoods the women would pour boiling water on them from their windows. So if hipsters be spotted, shits on them immediately.
The best part is that hipsters wouldn’t know one end of an L1A1 Self Loading Rifle from the other,
And if you’re looking for new ways to harp on Hipsters, you may be interested in our game: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tinyredchair/hipsters-the-card-game Make self-righteous Activist hipsters, self-important Academics, and detestable Grungelings, all complete with a panoply of their most ridiculous personal items.
She’s at it again, folks…
http://greenpointers.com/2012/10/03/hipster-bashing-is-getting-old/#comment-3836
“you’ve got young, aspiring Asian writers from the South like me who caught wind of the creative energy in this neck of the woods and felt compelled to share in it.”
LOL!!!!!!!!!
What she caught wind of was the Gowanus Canal.
A truly creative person does not need to be surrounded by other “creatives” to be creative.
“As a reporter, I cover Greenpoint on a daily basis.”
According to her LinkedIn profile, she’s a “contributing (i.e. freelance) writer” for Greenpointers.com, a freelance copy editor for New York Magazine, and before that had a string of internships and is now pursuing her M.S. in journalism from Columbia. At least she actually went to J-school, but she’s never actually held a full-time job as a reporter or editor. The M.S. program at Columbia is even designed for people who want to be journalists but lack significant work experience.
Why in god’s name would anyone earn an MA in journalism? It’s a dying profession, where you’re lucky to earn 45K/year if there are any jobs to be had at all…
In fact, nobody should get an undergrad. degree in journalism either…
http://newspaperdeathwatch.com/
I wouldn’t say it’s a dying profession – it’s just shifting around a lot because of economic and demographic changes. A lot of daily newspapers and general-interest magazines aren’t doing well, but niche magazines, business-to-business media online media are. I’ve been working for the same trade magazine for a few years now and have been doing fine.
And it’s worth noting that Columbia’s journalism MA and MS programs are the best in the country, and most people who go through them get pretty good jobs.
But my point was that it appears Ms. Kuo was doing their MS program because though she did a lot of internships, she’s never had a real journalism job, so for her to call herself a “reporter” seems like a bit of a stretch (Columbia’s MA is designed for working journalists). I mean, if you look at her piece linked above, it hardly even has any facts – just a few personal opinions and anecdotes, as well as some assertions that she doesn’t seem inclined to back up with real evidence (example: “Gentrification moves rapidly, with the charging momentum of a freight train and with little regard for anything or anybody caught on the tracks.” – but WHY does gentrification happen and fuck over so many people in the process? And how do you define “rapid?” My editor would would never let an unsupported comment like that fly, but it’s enough for the Greenpointers editor whose opinion Ms. Kuo sees fit to attribute as evidence.).
And from her bud Stephanie in the blog that Jen commented on:
“Ideally, New York is the type of city that’s accommodating to all cultures and all subcultures, right? It’s the diversity that makes it as vibrant as it is. Jen also told me that she loved Greenpoint and she moved here precisely because she thought it was the type of place where the old and the new could cohabit and live peacefully and build and learn off of one another. It was the medley of different faces that made the neighborhood even richer than it was before. And as a message to those who carry with them such insufferable anti-hipster sentiments: who made you king of the castle?”
She obviously doesn’t get that the hipster infestation homogenizes everything into a least common denominator Disneyland. Sad.
She also doesn’t get that she and her try-hard friends don’t have anything to teach the locals. When she writes that “the old and the new could cohabit and live peacefully and build and learn off of one another,” what she really means is, “It’s a place where we can appropriate the cultures of immigrants and working-class people to regurgitate as part of our ‘ironic’ and narcissistic personas and then rub our sense of smug superiority in their faces.”
I’d be happy if they simply had the attitude that the locals might teach them something. That “build and learn off one another” trope really means “put up with my shenanigans just because I think I’m creative.”
amen.
I agree completely. It’s that attitude of theirs that ultimately makes them hipsters – all the superficial trappings of hipsterism like the clothes and the food and the lifestyles are the visible manifestation of the attitude. They basically see themselves as superior and as a gift to wherever they live, while the people who were there before are uncultured, uncool and waiting to be saved or driven out. It’s a consequence of a privileged upbringing where you weren’t taught respect or humility.
..and you gotta love the diversity shtick. What diversity? You’ve chased every possible ethnic group away in short order. And when the quaint Polish ladies have had they’re fill they’re gonna sell out and move to Staten Island.
As kids a lot of hung around different shops. I had friends who’s parents were butchers, cabinetmakers, machinists, appliance repair men. You picked up things by osmosis. You knew – for example – that if you got a flat tire, the car mechanic down the sreet would have the tools to fix your bike.
We had bakers, pastry chefs, luthiers, locksmiths, welders, body shops. These a*8wipes hang around 10 dollar a bar chocolate makers who use a f**cking schooner to transport cocoa beans.
Those are “tradesman” careers — the jobs that undergird any healthy community.
“Artisanal” this and that, “vintage” this and that, and hobbies pretending to be businesses which close in 6 months — do not.
I wonder if my comment will be approved by the moderator. I wrote:
I agree it’s not about the glasses and the fedoras, or whatever is the ever changing accessory of the day.
For me, a hipster is a person with an attitude of cultural superiority, a disdain for the so-called mainstream, and a preoccupation with being perceived as such by others. (That’s 23 words. That “10 words or less” thing is a bit of a bogus challenge. Most concepts can’t be described well in under 10 words. The best dictionary definition I found for “shirt” is 23 words. “Table” is 20.)
For me the common denominator of what we think of as “hipster” is all in the attitude, and ensuring that the attitude is perceived by others.
For example, I may prefer fine coffee brewed a certain way, but if I don’t care whether or not my peers and others perceive that I prefer fine coffee, or how I prefer it prepared, then I am probably not a hipster.
I may think a particular indie rock artist is cool, and a particular mainstream pop star is dreck, but if I don’t care whether or not you know I’m into them (or not into them) then I am probably not a hipster.
Declaring yourself to be “young, cool and creative” does not make it so. But if you THINK it does, then you might be a hipster. And declaring that anyone who doesn’t think the way you do is a frustrated virgin doesn’t mean you are cool, or getting more sex. But if you’re a hipster, then you probably think it does. And the people you surround yourself with probably think it does, too.
Post with wild abandon, Ethan. There is no moderator on this board who will disapprove of your comments, whatever they may be … unlike greenpointers.com, who won’t post any comment that doesn’t conform to their world vision. Over there it’s all happy-happy hipster joy-joy, all of the time.
Well, I just looked in and there seems to be a sh*tstorm in a teacup going on over there. Very genteel and well-mannered, though. Jen seems to be dancing as the bullets are fired at her feet.
This is why when me and my family move back to the US we’re heading to Queens.
Well if you want to avoid hipsters, avoid Astoria, LIC, Ridgewood, Sunnyside, and Woodside – the infestation has already begun there. You should be safe in places like Whitestone, Bayside, Little Neck, Douglaston and all areas in the southern part Queens. I live in constant fear that Forest Hills will soon fall.
You left out Jackson Heights.
Forest Hills has a really fast subway trip to Manhattan and is pretty darn cheap as far as NYC goes, so I agree, it’s probably going to be the next victim. We were looking in Bayside and Howard Beach, the hipster scum would never dare set foot there.
I’ve seen traces of it in Bayside, meanwhile Flushing is getting more of them each day. Granted they may not be living here but still a bad sight to see.
Little Neck and Douglaston are nice and quiet while Bayside is getting busy.
Forest Hills won’t get hit because a) it’s already pretty expensive, even compared to most Brooklyn neighborhoods and b) it has a high rate of home ownership and a low turnover for renters.
That’s good news then. But I think that other parts of Queens like Rego Park, Sunnyside, and Corona are probably doomed.
Forest Hills has some already. But as far as turning the neighborhood into the next hip place, I have faith that won’t happen. If you look on Queens Blvd and Austin street for that matter. The only shops and stores that hang on are a handful of chain stores and old school mom and pops. There are as many empty store fronts littering the place. People around here do not want zany Josh and Megan in this neighborhood.
I think since Brooklyn is starting to empty there wallets, they look for other housing options. The ones I see out here are going to or getting off the subway. Queens hopefully is not cool for them and that’s fine.
A new magazine for Brooklyn. It’s Motto:
A new magazine for a new American city.
Yah
http://www.bkboundmag.com/
I give it six months. Tops.
A feature on Target? You gotta be kidding me….
Really most of the content seems to be about Manhattanized Brooklyn.
And this is more unique and different than L Magazine…in what way?? I see that copies are available at Masturbation Bros. Ye Olde Tyme Chocolate Shoppe(with pages stuck together and covered in beard hair) Like Yah!
I’m willing to bet $5 that its staff consists of people fired from the innumerable other entertainment magazines published in Brooklyn right now. After a while, it’ll be just like Portland: every time a new magazine starts up, all of the editors will be people who ran their own weeklies or monthlies into the ground, and their only hope in leaving the Subway cashier job is having the current publisher remember the occasional kind word back at the previous publication. After a while, the whole market gets so incestuous that everyone involved with a magazine in the area has connections, contacts, or in-laws involved with every other one, and that’s usually about the time the whole market collapses.
That’s spot on about Portland. And the ones who run the Portland Mercury incessantly and i mean INCESSANTLY prop up their friends’ bands and people who used to work for the Mercury. I don’t know how many times I’ve read articles about this shit band called Parenthetical Girls fronted by, you guessed it, the former music editor of the Mercury. It’s one big, tired circle-jerk.
“The New American City” = HUH????
I’ll bet that the rents in cities that are not in hipster demand are much lower than the rents in Brooklyn or any other city that the try-hards covet.
By the way, who wants to join me in pissing all over the couple in the photo?
Durn tootin’, Tommy Boy. Come on out here to sunny Las Vegas and check out the super low rents. When I escaped from a rapidly-gentrifying Chicago in 2004, I was literally shocked at how reasonable the cost of housing was out here. Sure, as of today Nevada, and particularly Las Vegas, has the worst economy, foreclosure rate, unemployment rate, and here in Clark County, anyway, the worst educational system in the whole country. But neither my wife nor I have had any problem staying employed during the downturn, and a year ago we were even able to buy a beautiful home at a devistatingly deeply discounted price after the former owners decided to retreat back home to Tejas … which they never should have left in the first place.
The downsides of Nevada livin’ shouldn’t make one whit of difference to self-”employed” college graduates with an artistic bent and no children. You’d think that they’d be flocking here to stake out new territory to settle in, but they’re not. I’d imagine their disinterest is for two reasons: 1) It’s not just silly, but it’s downright dangerous to wear a knit cap on a day where the high temp reaches 117 F; and 2) There isn’t a sun block made with a high enough SPF to allow them to keep that deathly-bluish-white, vampiric frog’s-belly skin hue they strive for out where the skies are sunny 85+% of the time … including at night.
I actually had respect for a guy I read about a few years back, who was buying up and fixing up spaces just north of Pittsburgh. He was an artist, true, and he was fixing up artist spaces to attract people from New York, but he was fixing up absolute shitholes and making them really nice. The problem was getting tenants, because 90 percent of the people going on and on about having a good loft locale didn’t want to have to put any sweat equity into finishing the spaces, and they sure as hell didn’t want to live in a building that didn’t already have the quirky community already in place.
I think you’re talking about John Fetterman, the mayor of Braddock, PA. I had a lot of respect for that guy too because he was (and still is) trying to do something good for a deeply depressed and screwed up city. It’s unfortunate that he bought into the idea that hipsters and arty-farty types can rescue such a town, but I don’t think hipsters would attract the kind of animosity they do if they were going into economically ruined places like Braddock and trying to help the people out and improve their lot as opposed to gentrifying established neighborhoods, driving out the locals, replacing the culture with their organic-artisanal-indie shit and then acting like their presence is an improvement.
I’m from a somewhat economically “ruined” town in Upstate NY (not as bad as Braddock, but far behind NYC), and there’s something interesting I’ve noticed about it. There is a significant hipster presence, and many of them are MORE annoying than Brooklyn hipsters. They complained about how they “should be in Brooklyn,” and acted like they were too cool and too “Brooklyn” for the place.
The worst ones do move on to Brooklyn… which is great. It leaves behind the hipsters who are either too lazy to care whether their city is cool enough and the hipsters who are willing to actually work at creating their own fun in a city that’s not ready-made for their consumption.
In a strange way, places like Brooklyn are good for these smaller cities. Brooklyn siphons away the worst hipsters, leaving behind the ones who might actually make a place more interesting.
(Come to think of it, I feel even worse for Brooklyn now. Other cities’ relief is Brooklyn’s curse. What a nightmare.)
And let’s not forget commercial rents. Hipstermaniacs are willing to pay whatever it takes to open their painfully precious artisanal “businesses” – that’s gotta be one reason basics, like a cup of coffee, have become so much more expensive. Why bother negotiating rents when bank of mom and dad will pay anyway? Then, as commercial rents really take off, old established businesses can’t pay the increases on new leases and fold. BUT so do many of the new places. There’s a lot of churning going on, with commercial rents doing the stirring. And commercial landlords can demand rents upfront, shielding themselves from the actual economic climate we’re in. That’s why you’ll see a lot of empty storefronts in a lot of supposedly “hot” neighborhoods (not “nabes” people)
The turnover is not good for the neighborhoods. Eventually an area gets a bad reputation
because businesses keep failing in the same locations. Then they become unrentable.
A while ago on this site we were discussing a Bobby Flay show where some hipster and his buds opened up “Sticky’s Finger Joint” in NYC (look it up on yelp and read the comments on The Food Network site – i think the show is called “Three Days To Open”).
Anyway….no concept…no recipes….guys goofing off…staff not paid in weeks…all to make chicken fingers.
The rent? 6K per month. Think about how much product they have to push out the door just to pay the staff let alone the rent.
So what do the geniuses do? Sell organic chicken fingers for 4 dollar each.
There are certain businesses that cannot survive a high rent area unless you have a ton of foot traffic. We have a gourmet hotdog shop about a mile from work. Two chili dogs with onion and mustard – 11 bucks. For that kind of product you need cheap rents so families can eat there and little league teams can afford a celebration.
A friend of my mother’s is a pastry chef – 70 years old, from Italy. For 40+ years she’s been making cakes, italian cookies and pastries out of her basement. She gets about 50 orders a week. Cash. No advertising – just word of mouth.
Afetr 40 years her kids are taking over and their moving into a real store front.
Seconded on the spaces being considered unrentable. It doesn’t matter why the previous renters failed. Have enough six-month fly-by-night venues that open and close in a space, and people will remember. Worse, they’ll tell friends thinking about opening up a new restaurant or store in the space “Aw, man, you don’t want that. That place is unlucky.”
Sounds like the “restaurant of death” on the NW corner of Clark & Montrose in Chicago – it must have gone through 10 iterations in the 6 years before we moved out.
Meanwhile at Gray’s Papaya I can get a meal for some of those organic gourmet prices.
These hipster assholes aren’t saving a neighborhood, they’re depreciating it.
And the plague will continue. Lena Dunham just settled for $3.6 million for her next book.
http://www.deadline.com/2012/10/lena-dunham-book-bidding-at-3-6-million/
Whether or not anybody actually buys this is immaterial. What this means is that for the next three years, until the book shows a 90 percent return rate and can be found in huge “Please Take Me Home” piles at Barnes & Noble, is that every halfass in Flyoverville will be moving to Brooklyn to see if s/he can get the same sort of deal. She’ll be the Edie Brickell of literature, with hundreds of agents swarming Brooklyn looking for the next meal ticket, and leaving behind hundreds of hipsters yammering about how they should hear back about their book deals “any day now”. I really pity you guys, because if you thought it was bad before, it’s only going to get more insufferable.
On the positive side (not really, I’m just pretending)… Now that “Girls” is reaching millions of real girls across the nation, middle-class and poor girls will start arriving in Brooklyn, instead of the mainly upper-class crowd that we’re seeing now. They’ll see that they can’t afford to live the “Girls” lifestyle, and then they’ll report back to their friends, and, over time, word of mouth might actually destroy the Brooklyn “brand.”
Great piece – really does underscore the rent explosion of which hipsters are always trying to deny the existence.
I will add that it is, in part, the fault of landlords and the politicians in their pockets. During the ’90s, Pataki and Joe Bruno, with the help of Giuliani, chipped away at rent regulation which made the skyrocketing rent possible. The landlords, who often can’t find people who are willing to pay the astronomical rents, will often just warehouse apartments and write them off at a loss. Thus, we have tons of vacant apartment and tons of people unable to find affordable housing. This also holds true for commercial real estate; businesses that have been around for decades have to shut down because they can’t afford the rent and then the spaces stay vacant for 5-10 years until a chain store or hip art gallery or boutique can open.
I don’t want to let the hipsters off the hook. I feel like once upon a time, true artistic types came to NYC because, despite all the crime and decay, it was the only place they felt they could fit in. Now people come to NYC to remake it in the image of their hometowns and the “art” they produce is an afterthought. There was plenty of art and music going on on the LES in the late 70s and 80s, but it was a place where you went to do art or music for the various junkies, transvestites and other weirdos down there, not for college kids from Nebraska.
Good point poor city administration in the 50′s and 60′s. I’m sure papers have been written making the connection between gentrification/poor city administration. It also makes me wonder if the areas of South Brooklyn (as opposed to Southern Brooklyn below the DH line) were ‘Redlined’. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining.
On a similar note, I looked up ‘rural gentrification’ and such a thing exists! Is there a DH counterpart in the Great Plains states?
Apparently, “Brooklyn has arrived” now that we have the Barclay’s center. Yay.
I can not begin yo tell you how much more peaceful life is since my buddy from the hospital smuggled me below the line. I have a nice 2br, a bar that sells BEER, a store that sells bustello and a grocery store that doesnt scream artisinal. At the bar we have black, white, candy apple red, plummers, retired cops, bus boys, lawyers, ad agents. We sit, we laugh, we argue, the older people tell me about the old days when normal transplants
like me could come here and lead a normal life before the invasion. I barely see a beardo
now. I will be opening a normal store with a
retired detective sgt in dec with non artisinal
fare. My neck and back are getting rather destroyed from my years as a medic. He thought it might be a nice change of pace. Normal Brooklyn is wonderful. Im glad they all need a kewel zip code. That is why i never tell them where i live. This is what my mother and great aunt were telling me about. Wonderful, kind hard working people.
fare(as
http://whoislauralee.blogspot.com/2012/10/bushcraft-birthday-party.html?spref=tw&m=1
Look. The adult fingerpainters of Nieuw Bozwik have caught wind of their appearance on diehipster.com. How dare we ruin their whimsical care freeeeeeee funnnn funnnn funnnn!! Yah!
Lmao!!! We’re like, so ignorant and close-minded! Because finger painting and posting about it on a blog is something that adults with real jobs do.
Ethan Ethanol got a quip in about his PBR can pinata. We’ll see if it stays up there.
Love it! I’m feeling all painty now
Hate it! I’m feeling all beaty now
“…we can play and create and express ourselves in a judgement-free-non-cynical environment.”
This, as described, is adult day-care. Possibly without the Depends. Imbeciles…
“Because it’s much easier to mock and talk rather than risk and try.”
Erm, just exactly what kind of risk are you taking??? And most of us here can probably do better “art art art” in our sleep sleep sleep if we were so inclined to do so.
Congrats – YOU”RE MEEEEAAAAN!
I’ll give sites and painty people one thing: they wear their ‘Loser’ right out there for everyone to see. It sure does save time. Ideas that can be shaped in the space of a tweet are almost across the board, 95% shit anyway.
I love this ad campaign, put out by the province of British Columbia – “Hipster is not a real job”
http://cupwire.ca/articles/53266
MTA should run with this and plaster the L line..
They need to blanket the DC Metro Red and Yellow Lines with those.
Canadians are so much ballsier than Americans.
Paying $1500 for a 2 bedroom in bay ridge!!
http://thecaptainpower.blogspot.com/2012/10/how-has-dating-changed-since-1990s.html
life is hard
I am sorry to say that I have seen a group of 3 hipsters walking in my neighborhood in Sunset Park, 8th ave and 55th St smack in the middle of Chinatown.
Where’s the Tong when you need them?
I just saw the movie THE SITTER last night. It glamorizes Williamsburg even more. Thank you Hollywood for featuring it yet again to bring more people to this over-hyped area. That movie with Vince Vaugn in 1999 was one of the first to glamorize Williamsburg. I pass by house they filmed on Berry and South 6th all the time with my dog. So sad what’s become of our city.
Wed afternoon around 3pm, I was making my delivery route: Coffee-Laptop hipster shop was full WTF???. Does anyone work??? I make my honest 9-5 M-Fri. I’m still confused at how Mommy and Daddy are still funding money to the 25 year old Joshes and Megans.