Dynamic Beardo Bros. help save Brooklyn with $10 chocolate bars.
Posted: August 5, 2010 Filed under: Main 360 Comments »
A photo/videographer e-mails me the other day saying I should really post this video on diehipster.com because it would be a really cool feature. It’s a video he made for those chocolate bar making, Amish AIDS patient, Spin Doctor looking Mast Bros. Yes, those bearded Brooklyn pioneers who flew into over priced gentrified Brooklyn from the MidWest to play with chocolate while the hard working natives had to pack their bags and leave. I really, really, really, don’t understand this. Can’t they make their fucking candy bars back in their home state? Do the cocoa bean companies not deliver there? Is there some kind of force field that prevents the chocolate melting machines from working there? Nope. They just had to come to kewel Brooklyn with the beards and fedoras.
Here is their latest nauseating video:
Video: Mast Bros: Get yer’ fresh $10.00 gentrification chocolate bars HERE!
Here is the email conversation I had with the guy who shot this video for them FOR FREE!!!!
Him: Hi there. My name is XXXXXXX.
I shot this film about the Mast Bros chocolatiers in Williamsburg
Brooklyn for the scout magazine that I
would think would be cool to be featured on die hipster. the guys
have beard nets for heaven sakes! It’s all about craft.
It was a remarkable video project – let me know what you think!
Me: A few questions:
a) Is this an ironic and snarky hipster way for you and the Mast Bros. to promote yourselves?
b) Do you not understand that I hate every last mother fucking thing related to hipsters and North Brooklyn (post hipster invasion)?
c) Do you think I’m some self loathing hipster making fun of myself and others around me because it’s becoming mainstream to do that now?
I will say though you did shoot a nice video aside from the nauseating subject matter. I pray that you aren’t a hipster, that you secretly hate these people and just did it for the money.
I probably will post it up but won’t have many nice things to say about them. I actually posted something about them a couple of weeks ago.
Take care.
Him: I live in Williamsburg but I’m not really a hipster – I mean I guess
people may say I am but in appearance I am not – but I do listen to
whiney indie rock music.
I was not paid to do it.
I just think its a good way to show that even if someone dresses
hipster they might be actually doing something interesting.
I mean it’s up for you to decide I guess. But these guys are trying
to bring back craft to the world of mass-produced sweets.
I would be curious to open up a debate between worthless hipsets and
do-good hipsters – if it is possible in this day and age.
Me: Face it you are one.
And all I see are two typical dime a dozen, attention seeking, bearded transplants over paying (for rent among other things) for the Pseudo Brooklyn experience and melting chocolate and selling it for $10 a bar. Pathetic. People who find them interesting and buy their product have been sheltered in some suburban setting for most of their lives and are complete idiots. I read the comments on the vimeo page. What a bunch of lemmings.
Him: I am a hipster because I say I’m not. Actually, if you saw me you
would say that I’m a dork. I look like Randy Quaid.
anyway – Mast Bros are making actual chocolate – and they are selling
it and at that rate – sustaining their business. The Mast Brothers go
away and all the other craftmakers and we are left with mass-produced
food – which I hate.
I agree it’s expensive but all smaller stores are more expensive to
what we are used to. Thank you Walmart for ruining our culture.
This shit makes me furious and I am not even from Brookyln.
Fucking beardos!
Those guys are jews.
Or jew-wannabe hipsters.
Its hard to tell nowadays.
Funny. North Brooklyn has passed the Amish to become the beard capital of America between all these filthy shitnecks and the Hasids.
I’d really love it if one of the “Masts” were to post here in defense of their operations and explain how they do anything more for the community than that yuppies they cater to.
I just took a look at the “Community” page on their site and found these links:
http://www.brooklynflea.com/ – Get your ironic overpriced retro crap here!
http://www.electricpear.org/about/ – Ethical “artists.”
http://www.thegreenhorns.net/home.html – Let’s all dress up in overalls and pretend to be farmers.
http://marlowandsons.com/info/ – Classic Brooklyn cuisine.
http://www.sixpointcraftales.com/heritage.html – Ye Olde overpriced shit factory.
http://www.spuytenduyvilnyc.com/generalinfo.htm – Most ironic “old skool” bar in town.
Yup…Strong members of an historic community.
Fuck you with the anti-semitism.
What’s worse than a hipster? A bigot.
Go fuck yourself.
The one on the right looks like Boston George’s boy Dulli in the movie Blow. Once a rat…
I agree it’s expensive but all smaller stores are more expensive to
what we are used to. Thank you Walmart for ruining our culture.
I wonder if this doofus realizes that in some places, Walmart is the only place that exists where people could shop for necessities. Yeah, Walmart is evil (in a hipster sort of way) because it closes down local businesses and acts as a small-scale monopoly whereever it settles, but it’s also all some people can afford. It helps that it saves on gas/metro money too, because you can get everything at one stop.
I try to be a “socially conscious” shopper (I like shopping at Farmers’ Markets) but I will draw the line at $10 chocolates. Lol
Does the guy writing the email really not see it? Or is he the posterchild for the im not a hipster therefore i am a hipster but because i recognize the irony in saying im not a hipster but i really am makes it that im really NOT a hipster therefore I am a hipster?
which came first? the chicken or the overpriced organic vegan diet fed urban farm raised egg?
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I actually only eat organic eggs at home. They are much tastier.
I like organic and/or local food too, when I can get it (and afford it); it tastes better imo, since it tends to be much fresher.
That link made me laugh, though –
This was sent in to me by the creator of the t-shirt line. Since it’s a brand-spankin-new line you can be sure that there won’t be a million on the streets (yet)
It’s JUST A FUCKING TSHIRT. If they want something so new and ~*~original~*~ , they should make their own shirts.
@ e
I actually know a lot of people who search for shit that is somewhat original. Like sneaker heads and t-shirt heads, they are always searching for something that they havent seen on a million people before (hence no urban outfitters, no gap, etc).
My brother is a HUGE on sneakers and t-shirts and he goes to greath lengths to try to find shit other people dont have.
I dunno, maybe its an urban/hip hop thing. Everyone wants the “freshest” stuff.
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>>I like organic and/or local food too, when I can get it (and afford it); it tastes better imo, since it tends to be much fresher.
bullshit.
The only foods that are truly organic are those grown by local farmers the old fashioned way or from the Amish. Everything else is just overpriced crap. Taste is subjective
Haha…I actually only eat organic eggs too (or the ones who claim they are organic, like a commenter said, you never REALLY know).
But the point was…nevermind.
god. they are so myopic in that video
Spoiled suburbanite elitist attention-seekers. All these transplanted shitnecks try to convince everyone that they are bringing something better to Brooklyn mainly because they will never be accepted here by the normal working class. We see through their fakeness and their corny-ass attempts at being urban progressive.
So, affordable chocolate made in Brooklyn that families here have enjoyed for generations just doesn’t cut it anymore? I’m getting real sick of these fucking hayseeds and their overpriced products produced solely for other transplanted retards who obviously don’t care about shitting away their parents’ money while the other half of Brooklyn can barely scrape by a regular meal.
Exactly. You want to make your own chocolate bars? Fine, more power to you. I don’t give a fuck. But why do you have to come to fucking Brooklyn and make a video of yourselves, you red bearded attention seekers? Like DH says, don’t they have chocolate making machines in the suburbs?
Hershey was originally made to introduce affordable chocolate to the working poor using quality ingredients. Do we really need a $10 chocolate bar with unproven quality and taste?
Actually, these guys roast, hand grind, and then melt and mix the bars in a bunch of weird flavors. I’ve been in there and it’s kind of cool to watch. These types don’t bother me much. They’re actually doing something they love, which requires a skill and making money off it. Fine. Good for them. As far as the chocolate though, my hubby bought a bar once out of curiosity. He says it wasn’t very good, kind of gritty, and had almost a burnt flavor. I told him he was crazy for spending $10 on a damned chocolate bar probably full of beard hair.
The people with actual skills are alright with me. The ones who are “artists” or “musicians” or (lowest of the low) “performing artists” need to get gone. Especially the ones who are “activists” with no friggen idea what their cause of the moment is other than there’s a PBR in it for them. AHHHHHH!
If you go into a gourmet or natural foods store and look at the chocolate, Mast Brothers is by far the most expensive.
It always pissed me off that stuff made in Brooklyn is more than goods produce across the country. Shouldn’t the lower shipping costs be passed on to the customers?
Manhattan Special sodas have been made in Brooklyn since 1893 and are reasonably priced. It’s more than a coke or pepsi but made of much higher quality ingredients and still within a working persons budget. Being that they’re still around after over 100 years, I would say that this is the better business model to follow.
Man, i love Manhattan Special coffee soda.
I try to turn everybody I know on to that stuff.
I drink it straight, but some pour it over ice cream.
So are you for these types or against i can’t tell from your comment. If the chocolate sucks and is over priced then why do we need these bastards here taking up space? Who cares if it’s cool watching chocolate melt?
Full of beard hair? haha
I just read the comments on the video and am speechless.
I wouldn’t say for or against. Indifferent is more like it. I haven’t tasted the chocolate. Some people say it’s amazing. I wouldn’t pay that kind of money for it. I’m in agreement with artur up there about the price. But they’re not getting my money so whatever. Maybe by overcharging all the hipsters they’ll make them broke and therefor leave faster. They themselves (just watched the video now) are annoying and I won’t buy their product. Being able to make chocolate from raw beans to finished product by hand is kinda cool. I’m a female. So, when the apocalypse they all seem to be preparing for happens, I wouldn’t mind having a gimp chained in my basement making me chocolate once a month. But I’d take a weed whacker to the facial hair first.
The urban farmers and whatever don’t annoy me with what they do either. I have a vegetable garden for my family. But I don’t contact the NYT and act like planting tomatoes has never been done before. The attention whoring of it all makes me want to smack them.
Some come here to start legitimate business. I’m ok with seeing how that goes. Some come to take up space, break the law with their stupid demonstrations when it’s convenient, and eat brunch while thinking of ways to draw attention to themselves for actually doing nothing. They make me sick.
“Some people say it’s amazing.”
Of course they do. Look at how many people say that the $8 organic gentrification hot dogs from “Bark”/$25 personal yupster pizzas from “Franny’s”/$12 grilled cheese from “BKLYN Larder” are “amazing” as well? I’ve been hearing that bullshit from the flyover state beardos and their ugly girlfriends here in my neighborhood for going on almost a decade now. The same old gentrification schtick just keeps going on and on with no end in sight every time some new beardo business opens its doors to cheers and undeserved accolades. They’re more predictable than a fucking sundial.
One thing I’ve learned in my years in post-gentrification Brooklyn with respect to eating establishments is that you cannot rely on online ‘reviews’ or even word-of-mouth anymore, because 1) so much of it is bullshit often created by the businesses themselves; and 2) people in general, and yupster transplants in particular, are complete lemmings who will simply parrot what they hear about someplace regardless of how good or bad the food actually is. In other words, I have found that there is basically no connection in Brooklyn nowadays between what people (yupster transplants especially) say about an eatery and how good the place actually is. Relying on word of mouth from those I trust along with my own gut has led me to much better establishments than listening to the yupster lemming chorus ever could.
Like I said, they won’t get my business. Nor will any of those other overpriced “amazing” places. I guess maybe I just don’t care too much anymore? I grew up in Williamsburg/Greenpoint and remember when people didn’t even know where it was when I pointed it out on a map. But by now almost everything I know is gone. After watching it vanish slowly over ten years, watching friends have to move, businesses I frequented close, and these urban wannabes move in, maybe I’m just numb. They can have it. Hell, they ALREADY have my neighborhood. I’m not sticking around much longer either. I’m counting the days and I’m out. If they stay out of my way in the meanwhile I’ll ignore them whenever I can.
“I’m so unhip,” I’m with you to a certain extent. I appreciate the fact that they’ve actually taken the initiative to open their own business and are actually (hopefully) supporting themselves with an earned income, not “loans” from mom and dad back in MN.
I really don’t wanna hate this, but, well, it’s so hard not to.
Any good intentions aside, they’re NOT stimulating the economy of the neighborhood. They’re stimulating the economy of other out of place businesses in the neighborhood.
Their ridiculously overpriced chocolates (yeah, yeah, you’re paying for the “quality”) are doing nothing more than acting as another catalyst to draw in other hipster, yuppie, and tourist scum who want to feel “cultured” and think that by supporting this type of store, they’re supporting something “unique” and “traditional” are completely missing the point and are doing much more harm than good.
The bottom line is that when new, upscale businesses move into any middle or working class neighborhood, they can’t help but change its dynamic, even if it’s not their goal. As soon as anything becomes trendy, landlords realize that they can make more money ripping off the trebdsters than continue to house and provide storefronts for long-time residents.
That’s the point.
If hipsters moved into wealthy neighborhoods or set up their “businesses” in wealthy neighborhoods, this really wouldn’t be an issue. They wouldn’t be altering the demographic of those neighborhoods.
Because they CHOOSE to infest working class areas, they also indirectly choose to destroy those areas for anyone who actually lived there, worked there, etc.
There’s another lair of insincerity with this that I find even more troubling. The whole “ironic retro” look these two (and so many hipsters” so blatantly go for.
I mean, sorry dudes, 21st century Brooklyn ain’t Toledo Ohio c. 1890. You’re not running a “quaint local store,” but an overpriced yuppie trap in a major city, in the age of wi-fi.
Their whole “we’re just simple men making chocolate for the local folk” bit is pure bullshit. It’s an act, like every hipster run “vintage” store, record shop, used ashtray and PBR can drop off spot, etc.
They’re putting on an act. Trying to put themselves into a greater “All-American” cultural history that they don’t belong to and never can belong to because they’re not sincere enough to actually want to experience what it’s like to “work for a living.” They only like the idea because it gives them a disingenuous sense of belonging.
Again, I don’t wanna hate these people. I think their attempt is even somewhat noble. But the fact that they’ve fallen into all sorts of hipster traps puts many holes into their acceptability.
What a bargain! For only $19, at “BKLYN Larder” you can get one of these fine candy bars AND a cup of coffee! Just add another $20 for a small jar of jam and a slice of bread!! Welcome to the community!!
Lee, I concede the point. I guess I hadn’t really thought of it in those terms. By the time the store opened (or when I knew of it anyway) the North Side was already infested. I was just interested in the fact they they were actually DOING SOMETHING, you know, WORKING a REAL job. I did think it was ridiculously overpriced and would never buy the chocolate. But I can see what you’re saying about that being the point. I wouldn’t buy it. Other natives wouldn’t either. And by selling a product we wouldn’t buy due to the price, they do cater to the transplant crowd and therefor attract the same. Had they opened in a more “upper class” neighborhood where residents had disposable income it wouldn’t upset the dynamic so much. Making chocolate from raw beans is still pretty interesting though. Just, not at $10 a bar and not in Williamsburg. It might be a fun hobby to learn. If I ever had the time.
of course they say it’s fucking amazing. You look like a real tool if you pay ten bucks for a non-amazing chocolate bar.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
THEY ARE HOs
That is the same chocolate that any other chocolate maker makes. No SHIT SHERLOCK, EVERY choco-factory turns beans in to chocolate. WTF? You didn’t get that?
Oh, I guess its the turdo-choco-cacca-bar brothers ***SPECIAL*** touch.
The laying on of the magical midwestern beardo FUCK hands….IT JUST MAKES EVERYTHING SO FUCKING SPECIAL. Or is it the wrapping paper that made you lose your mind?
Sorry my dear, you fell for that beardo marketing bullshit the hos use against people. Brooklyn handcraft FUCKS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Look at more of their propaganda videos YOU WILL SEE THEY INDEED USE MODERN EQUIPMENT. They just dress up like some filthy creepy HO-freaks from an HP Lovecraft story. They just regurgitate what ever fucking HO in Brooklyn wants to hear.
FUCKING HOs.
And, just what the fuck is so fucking special about some retarded useless bullshit that some fuking bearded HO has hand crafted anyways?????
WHY IS IT worth 10X as much, when its actually 1000000000000000,000000000X MORE LAME?
DO YOU EVEN REALIZE ON THEIR WEBSITE THEY SAY THEY SHIP ALL THOSE FUCKING BEANS BY
********SAIL BOAT***************
?????????????????????????????????????????
That is fucking annoying. They should be stomped to death for that alone. Every ho knows you gotta grow that shit on your roof.
Their chocolate covered face pubes are a top-seller.
Wow. What a bunch of narcissists. From their commentary you’d think the chocolate they made cured cancer. There are people here with the Nobel Prize, making life-saving and changing diagnoses every day, butd never talk about themselves like that. Well a few do, but you can guess what field they are in.
I know right. How can you ramble on for 3 minutes about the “passion of the cacao bean and making chocolate bars and the journey of it all”…. FUCK YOU BEARDO!!!
These two definitely had matching Easy-Bake ovens at the age of 15.
Well, $10 is about what I spend on a prescription refill. $92 would really stock me up on meds. Maybe there is some magical cure in ye olde tyme chocolate. Hey – the beans were schooner transported here from the deep jungles of Africa.
They’re chocolatiers. That’s all. We had the same thing out here, with one company charging as much as $35 for their painfully overpriced candy. They weren’t actually processing cacao beans and turning it into chocolate: they were buying pre-processed chocolate, melting it down, and going from there. The art of a chocolatier is respectable, sure, but $10 a bar? When Godiva probably makes much better chocolate that costs a fraction of this?
I have to admit that I’ve spent quite a bit of time studying the history of chocolate, but that’s just idle curiosity. Twits like these keep reinventing the wheel over and over, much like your gourmet soap makers. The reality of the situation is that $10 bars of chocolate and $8 bars of soap are fine and good if you have enough friends willing to help out. When things get tight, though, you’ll find that even those friends are willing to hold off on buying chocolate altogether and scrub their asses with good old-fashioned Dial for a buck a bar.
Why is this even $10? Is it because the rent is expensive? the pre-processed cocoa came from a warzone? Hipsters have no concept of prices since they abhor capitalism?
It’s probably because Some Guy (the same sociopath that told so many losers in Florida and California that “there’s never been a better time to buy a McMansion”) told them “These are worth soooooooo much more than what Hershey’s charges.” I keep seeing that over and over: nobody does market research to see what others are selling their goods for, and when those goods don’t sell, it’s never because the prices are insane. Instead, the lack of sales is due to “Wal-Mart mentality” or “nobody appreciates the value of what we’re trying to do.”
I also suspect that the disconnect on prices is because they believe they’re so special that the world should pay them what they think they’re worth. Most can afford to hang onto that mindset for a while, so long as Mom and Dad are paying their bills. I see that with a lot of really bad artists and crafters, where they’ll continue to hold out to be “discovered” while their work continues to rot unbought. The moment they discover they’re actually expected to pay their bills with their art, though, it’s absolutely amazing how they dump it and go for a real job that can cover the bills.
That’s what I expect will happen with these two beardos. When the flash wears off and they discover that they’re sitting on a pile of uneaten chocolate produced because Some Guy told them that he’d buy it all, they have one of two options. One is to ride Mom’s and Dad’s money until it’s all gone. (That’s the option apparently being held by a lot of those fucking gourmet cupcake places, by the way.) The other is to shave off the beards, go quiet for a few months so the Google listings aren’t too obvious, and go back to that office job.
Hipsters are like godless, materialistic, consumerist Amish who try too hard to look downtrodden and anti-establishment despite being everything on the contrary
the mast brothers go to church
don’t judge so quickly
“I agree it’s expensive but all smaller stores are more expensive to what we are used to. Thank you Walmart for ruining our culture.”
It’s funny how these filthy yupster mutants think nothing of parroting the “Wal-Mart = Bad” argument when the yupsters and gentrification as a whole have done as much damage to working communities as Wal-Mart could ever dream of.
When was the last time you heard of entire communities of honest working families being priced out of their homes and displaced to laughs and condescending jibes as a result of a Wal-Mart opening up? When was the last time you heard of Wal-Mart creating an environment where people were made to feel unwelcome in their own hometowns?
Me personally, I would welcome a Wal-Mart right smack in the middle of Park Slope if it meant that it would drive out every last flyover state mongoloid back to the scummy suburuban pond they crawled out of. Another funny thing is that the yupsters are far more suburban and generic than the very Wal-Marts that they live to hate. Ironic, isn’t it, that they brought their generic suburban Wal-Mart mentalities here to Brooklyn.
That’s exactly what happens, over and over, outside of Brooklyn. I simply cannot tell you how many times I’ve seen unspoiled areas that are discovered by the more-money-than-brains set and declared “cool”. The moment they move in, though, they want it to be just like the “soulless corporate pit” they just abandoned. Big sodium lights to scare off nonexistent burglars. Constant police and fire presence, and then bitching about the taxes necessary to pay for both. Immediate cable and internet access, and brand new roads to keep their brand new cars immaculate. They bitch about Wal-Mart now, but they don’t say no to the strip malls and Home Depots and fast food places (with drive-through) that they want now now NOW. By the time Wal-Mart’s moved in, they can afford to kvetch about it because they’ve already left the area looking like a strip mine.
Great point PS=YT. Ive lived here all my life and I do NOT make a lot of money (I work with young people in social services) but I manage. One of the ways I manage is to shop at places like Target. Yeah its a huge corporation but considering that I pay my own rent, bills, student loans on a meager salary I need to make my pennies count.
I do the best that I can when it comes to shopping locally (famers markets and such) but….sometimes price just has to win out.
And another point: although the Target on Atlantic is kind of a shit hole, you know who they employ? Kids from Brooklyn. You know runs the actual store? People from Brooklyn (I know a few of the managers. I worked in retail all through HS and college and everyone jumps around from store to store) and other boroughs. You know who runs these “shop here, we’re local” shops? Transplants. Who works at these “local” shops? Transplants. Who do they hire? Other transplants.
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yea places like Walmart are great how they don’t pay a living wage to these kids and are union-busters. Read a book called “Nickled and Dimed” and you will start to see the horrors of how these corporations treat their people. I agree with you though, the transplants hire transplants. That definitely is a problem. The transplants should be in some ways regulated to hire local kids as well. Now we are making some sort of progress.
Here’s where all that hand-craft bullshit from the beardo-choco-cacca-bar brothers FAILS:
THAT SHIT IS NOT HAND CRAFTED. THEY USE MACHINES to stir all that shit up! Its not like those fucking beardos are stirring with a wooden spoon etc….in some hand made bowls. THEY ARE USING ALMOST THE SAME TECH as a mass produced choco factory, but on a smaller scale.
SUCH BULLSHITTERS..
FUCKING BEARDED HOs!
Forget the machines. Here’s the secret ingredient in that butt-chocolate.
DH, just fuggedabout trying to dialogue with that guy who sent you the video. You are talking to a wall. Literally. We are dealing with an old societal problem here, but one in which, as of late (as evidenced by what this blog unearths) we have reached a critical, and possibly fatal, turning point. Like nuclear war. Or global warming. It’s a cognitive disaster. Mass, generalized idiocy (that movie Idiocracy was all to prescient). Here’s educator John Taylor Gatto, who spent decades in the public schools and gave up (he’s now a home schooling advocate, which I dont go for, but I see his frustration). He sums it up:
“The secret of commerce, that kids drive purchases, meant that schools had to become psychological laboratories where training in consumerism was the central pursuit.
Since bored people are the best consumers, school had to be a boring place, and since childish people are the easiest customers to convince, the manufacture of childishness, extended into adulthood, had to be the first priority of factory schools. …
In the new system, schools were gradually re-formed to meet the pressing need of big businesses to have standardized customers and employees, standardized because such people are predictable in certain crucial ways by mathematical formulae. Business (and government) can only be efficient if human beings are redesigned to meet simplified specifications. As the century wore on, school spaces themselves were opened bit by bit to commercialization.”
My advice–take a cue from Night of the Living Dead or some other zombie movie. Get some baseball bats, a .22 Time will come when the last sentient beings will have to whack the zombies upside the head to reclaim this despoiled land. Now pass me a $1.19 Hershey bar.
That’s funny. I’ve been saying the same thing since the 90s. And I don’t even have a degree in some useless crap like the sociology of air hostess uniforms.
Back in the day, the Industrial Schools taught children the skills needed to work in industry and become productive members of society.
Today, schools teach (or don’t teach) children to become mindless drones who will consume anything. Look at everything from MTV Rap/Hip-Hop to Psychic Astrology and how Math is something to be discussed and Science and Evolution are just opinions and the Moon Landings were faked.
It’s all about making people not think for themselves and spend money recklessly and run up their credit cards. Ever wonder why we’re in a recession now?
I love how you guys are resorting to defending Walmart and Hersheys
as if gentrification is even worse. What’s next, will you defend Enron because it employs so many hard-working people?
The hipsters aren’t the problem – it’s the lack of culture and livability in small-town U.S.A. which has become one Dennys and Walmart after the next.
As a cinematographer I travel all over the country and the world and let me tell you – there is a reason why everyone is moving to New York. Endless soulless chain stores and restaurants and hotels.
Culture is a beautiful thing – different businesses – and the Walmarts and Kmarts and Holiday Inns and 711 have taken this all away.
Remember too that this is all new. Urban white flight (which is kind of like the reverse-moving of our hipster white upper middle class parent’s generation) moved us all out of the cities. And now we are all moving back and you’re upset?
Really?
What’s going to happen when the next trend happens and your precious suburbs are invaded?
Gentrification brings “soulless chain stores and restaurants and hotels”. Hipsters shop at chain stores too; Whole Foods, Trader Joe’s, Urban Outfitters, Anthropologie, Starbuck’s, Target, IKEA, the Apple store…all chains, all corporate behemoths. The kinds of businesses that hardly existed in NYC until the late eighties or so. I remember when the K-Mart opened in Astor Place in the early 90′s and it was pretty surreal to me.
People from the suburbs who think they are moving to the cities to have a more enlightened life inevitably are the ones who are suburbanizing the cities by turning industrial districts into residential districts and then complaining about the noise.
Blocks made up of overpriced cafes, chocolatiers, thrift stores, boutiques and hipster bars aren’t culture, they are just another form of consumerism. There is no culture anymore, just commodities. Even your ‘guerilla’, underground filmmaking is just something you’ll do until you either become famous and sell out or fade into obscurity.
If you guys study the history of NYC -the factories in Brooklyn closed first due to factors of global economies and globalization. They didn’t get put out of business because the hipsters could pay more to live in a building than a factory could charge. The businesses couldn’t afford their leases due to the fact that it’s a lot cheaper to make a product somewhere overseas. The hipsters are just the tip of the iceberg problem in NYC. The real issues that you guys are so scared of – encrouchment on neighborhoods with real people and real culture – comes from globalization. For instance, back in the 70s, a lot of these annoying hipster types such as myself, which are pretty much upper-middle class white kids (which I would make the assumption in the 70s and 60s would be dressing like hippies i.e. rebeling against their social conforms) – these guys would be living in NYC in the Upper East Side. Well because of climbing rent due to the globalization of the market, these annoying white folks were forced to move to Brooklyn and Queens.
The artist scene, the same one that made the East Village so cool and Soho back in the 80s and 90s, they go there cause they are looking for cheap rent. Well once they go, they “pollinate” the area for other stupid white people who then think it’s cool to live there and then rent is driven up.
First the real artists, who look and dress like hipsters, then come in the “faux artists” – the people who look and dress like hipsters but are kind of rich and have the money to pay more rent. Then once they are settled come in the “business and creative professionals.”
It’s the same pattern that happened in DUMBO, Williamsburg, Greenpoint and now even Red Hook. The plague is all there based on RENT.
So if you want to kill the hipsters, you should make rent affordable again in Manhattan so they can go back to living there.
Please turn your anger into some sort of movement instead of just bitching.
That’s the problem with the world these days – all people do is “bitch” – instead of trying to figure out how to solve problems.
The hipster issue is at least 50 years old – there is nothing new here except people now call them hipsters.
Yo Eddie baby
You say “So if you want to kill the hipsters, you should make rent affordable again in Manhattan so they can go back to living there.” No, kid. Howzabout we simply apply Occam’s Razor and leave at “kill the hipsters.” And then on the next business day following the Sabbath, we can make rent affordable in Manhattan again. And those parts of Brooklyn that yuppie/hipster sludge haven’t infested.
Demand drives the market. Kill the demand (preferably with blunt objects over the head).
When a hipsteryup like yerself starts spouting socioeconomicohistorico bullshit,it means hold onto your wallet, if not “pass me the service revolver, Holmes.”
“The hipster issue is at least 50 years old” you blabber. By your moronic analysis, its even older. The only thing older than it is bullshit artists like yourself.
Spare us the lame smokescreens and apologetics for your breed of human trash. When you suckers start talking economics, it’s horseshit–all you are actually doing, (as any non yuphipscum 2 year old could see) is lamely trying to DENY AND MAKE EXCUSES FOR HUMAN AGENCY–namely, that hipster scum CHOSE to come and infect our neighborhoods.
You losers are all such FUCKING RIGHTEOUS INDIVIDUALISTS arent ya, but when you get called on being scum, suddenly you are POOR VICTIMS OF ECONOMIC FORCES BEYOND YOUR CONTROL.
Karl Marx thinks you’re an ASSHOLE.
And I say FUCK YOU.
Good Shabbos, FUCKWAD.
since the beginning of time we humans have been territorial and don’t like it when someone encrouches on our land. But the great irony about America is that we are all trespassers except for the Native Americans. So shut the fuck up about “this is my land.” It’s some stupid bullshit. No one owns shit. The Earth owns the land. We are all just passing through.
Haaaaaaaaaaaahaha. Did you just say lack of culture in small town USA??? May I remind you we are complaining of the killing of real worldly culture in Brooklyn by small town USA? You stuuuuuuuupid fuckkkkkk!
See, that’s one of the yupsters’ main modus operandi. They push their ridiculous beardo tastes on you, with this stupid fucking chocolate for example, and then when you (rightfully) suggest that you are perfectly happy with your $1 Hershey’s bar (which most people are), the yupsters gleefully break into condescending snickers and sneers over how ‘unrefined’ and ‘simple’ your tastes are. It’s almost as though they derive more pleasure from the elitist feeling they get when normal people turn their garbage down than they do from their own yupster lemming fanbase. And then they wonder why so many normal people with real jobs hate their fucking inbred guts.
Like I said, they’re so predictable that it’s gotten to the point where I could become the King of all yupster beardos in gentrified Brooklyn if I so chose to (although I’m afraid I may not be inbred-looking enough).
Anyway, the story behind Hershey’s chocolate formula is actually pretty cool and uniquely American, and the last I heard they treated their workers exceedingly well. So I think the yupsters’ all-too-predictable “Hershey’s =Wal-Mart” argument may even more off-base here than their arguments usually are.
“It’s almost as though they derive more pleasure from the elitist feeling they get when normal people turn their garbage down than they do from their own yupster lemming fanbase.”
As usual, you nailed it in one. They thrive on the persecution of being unknown and unappreciated by the masses, and never mind that they don’t bring anything that the masses might ever want. To quote Carl Sagan, “Yes, they laughed at Galileo and Aristotle. They also laughed at Bozo the Clown.”
Hey, Mister Guerrilla Film Maker a.k.a. Yuppie Shithead,
How come you’re sooooooooo anti-establishment and anti-capitalism yet you make commercials for
HARVARD BUSINESS SCHOOL???????
http://www.kittyguerrilla.com/HBS/
BIGGEST FUCKING YUP BREEDING GROUND ON THE PLANET!!!!!
FUCK YOU!!!
cause I use the money from corporate gigs so I can shoot these gis for free. It’s the same reason a big university has a football stadium – so they can also have a swim team. Big money helps the little guy. Face it, the corporations are here to stay. If you can’t beat them, work for them and use their money for good.
Hey Stevie,
Was Lurch the first female your 1/4 inch dick would go into?
This is the result!
YOu sound like a COMMUNIST…
Better Red Than Dead in the Head, ho!
Hahahhahahohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohooo
Just checkin!
“Artisanal Sno-Cones”
http://www.ricochet.com/conversations/Artisanal-Sno-Cones
RBB’s story about the schools is the cause, and this here is the effect.
That second to last paragraph pretty much says it all.
” As usual, ‘they’ probably means the author’s friends, quickly followed by people who read the Times’ Style section as a guide to life instead of a sociological equivalent of an Economist story on Uruguay politics.”
Explains why Matt Gross isn’t doing his Frugal Traveler schtick any more, eh?
Yosemite Sam needs to take his lucky leprechaun ass and his spin doctor beard twin and go drown in a vat of melted rooftop local chocolate.
So, did anybody read the comments on Scout.com under the video about these two testicles? Priceless! They are guaranteed to fill you with so much hipster hate and rage, the back of your head will pop off like JFK’s… at least mine did. These two filthy, chocolate making, Hasid-impersonators don’t bother me as much as the majority of hipsters who do ABSOLUTELY nothing all day except take the L to Whole Paycheck (Whole Foods) in Union Square and zombie shuffle through the aisles while dropping bedbugs off their pubes. I also agree with PS=YT. Me and my friend got tricked into going to BARK by a local who raved endlessly about how great it is, where the three of us proceeded to get robbed of $50 bucks for three dogs, an order of onion rings and three beers. There is no difference between the flavor of BARK dogs than there is with store bought Nathan’s skinless $5.99 for 8 dogs. Assfucks. Hahaha! What are you gonna do shoot us? BOOM! Hahahaha!
I agree….
There aint nothing a $15/lb bag of organic fair trade uber-local sustainable save-the-children-coffee can do for me that a $3.99 pound of chock full o’ nuts cant!
good job HH – then don’t buy it. don’t get mad. that’s the beauty of the U.S.A. – you have choices.
“Me and my friend got tricked into going to BARK by a local who raved endlessly about how great it is, where the three of us proceeded to get robbed of $50 bucks for three dogs, an order of onion rings and three beers.”
Isn’t it hilarious? Yet you will be hard-pressed to find a single yupster transplant within all of gentrified Brooklyn who will dare admit that the $8 suburbia-inspired hot dogs from “BARK” are anything less than the greatest fucking things ever created. Call me jaded, but I never once wondered whether BARK’s yupdogs were better than my favorite Boar’s Head skinless that cost less than $6 a dozen.
CLEARLY all parties involved in the chocolate butt baby fiasco are hipsters.
this guy made the video and didn’t get paid for it??
WHAT VIDEOGRAPHER/EDITOR IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD USE THEIR RESOURCES/TIME ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND NOT GET PAID?!?!
oh wait, someone who doesn’t actually need the money and isn’t doing it for a career – aka a HIPSTER PSEUDO ARTIST.
disgusting.
Either that, or he bought into that Cory Doctorow “give away everything for free, because I’m too cheap to pay for it” bullshit. Suuuuure: give away your work in the hope that you’ll get bigger and better deals later. I swear, video people are just like too many writers: they’re whores willing to put out for IOUs.
i. fucking. HATE. this. shit.
before the economy went to shit and i became a full time artist’s model i worked FULL TIME as an editor/animator at several studios here in the city.
NUMBER ONE PET PEEVE of all media artists who make this their career is people who will DO THIS SHIT FOR FREE.
it drives down payment for everyone else who is actually supporting themselves this way, and makes the cheapskates who already don’t want to pay the artists what they deserve for the work they’re doing think that you really can get something for nothing (not to mention QUALITY FUCKING WORK for bargain basement prices).
every time i see some idiot who “wants to break into” XYZ artistic career doing some project for half/no pay i want to kick them in the teeth.
YOU’RE RUINING IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE, FUCKFACE.
THIS IS WHY WE CAN’T HAVE NICE THINGS!!!
Yep, this is especially true in over-satuated music scenes. Kool Keith actually has a song about it on his recent “Tashan Dorrsett” album, about all these wannabe emcees playing shows for free or for “the love”, making it harder and harder for someone who’s actually trying to make a living at it. I can’t remember the name of the song though for the life of me…
And as someone who’s been gigging around a very active and very saturated / competitive music town for the last few years, I know exactly what that’s like. I’m not trying to make a living, but it’s nice to pay some of our expensses once in a while (breaking even is the goal most months). But when there are so many venues and so many bands and only so many people in the city, the venues start booking the people who will accept the least amount of pay. That way they don’t have to worry about their bar.
We have always been fortunate to have a great following, and while the crowd is not always huge, they always drink a lot, so the bar always comes in big at the end of the night, and we almost always walk away with some cash. A lot of times even if we didn’t meet the requirements for whatever that venue’s payout grid looks like. If the bar’s happy, the venue is happy.
But now we’ve got these fucking hipster bands, like 5,000 new bands per day, and they all want to do it “for the love”, and there are that many less stages for actual tallented musicians to play on.
Hey Realistic – I work everyday for a living. This is a project made for the love of it. It’s not commercial. It may feel commercial in some ways but it’s not. It’s a thing called art. I don’t work for free. I didn’t do it trying to break in. Maybe if you were better at your job you wouldn’t so worried about people who are doing stuff for free or no pay taking work away from you.
“It’s a thing called art. Maybe if you were better at your job you wouldn’t so worried about people who are doing stuff for free or no pay taking work away from you.”
You snarky little bitch. I wouldn’t be so quick to jibe about people losing jobs here. Especially when you’ve exposed yourself the way you have.
guess I hit a sore-spot Bill. If you conservative- beings maybe stopped attacking me and started to figure out that the economy sucks balls because of fiscal policieis that have been making the rich even richer then we would be making a little progress ourselves and figure out why the job scene in the U.S. is so dismal. Oh wait, you guys are too busy defending Walmart and Target. Check out Walmart, the high price of low costs to learn more about how wonderful these corporations are for the U.S.
Except that Cory Doctorow is talking about Free Software. Giving software away for free actually makes sense. Why?
Because, as a software developer you get noticed. Big companies see what you did and offer you a high paying job on the basis of it because they see what you can do. I have several friends who got into Google and Amazon and now make big $$$ because of software they gave away for free.
See, software development is a highly skilled area which 99% of people cannot hack. Finding skilled people is difficult, even for big corporations. From the corporation’s point of view, pulling in someone who already developed something saves them $$$ in HR expenses. And people get the software they need without paying Microsoft $$$ every year.
Now, video making or journalism are a whole different kettle of fish. Anyone with a Mac and a free weekend can learn everything he needs to know to edit a film. If he gives himself away for free once, he will work for free for the rest of his life. He is as irreplaceable as the Mexican mama mopping the floor in Mickey D’s. Probably earns less too.
oh yea it’s that simple. That’s why Hollywood is so young and has such small crews. Film and video production is not really challenging craft at all. I mean look what I did – and I’m only 17 years old!
Yes Stevie.
We see what you did and you’re only 30 going on 13.
So young and so much talent. How come you haven’t been discovered by Hollywood yet?
Our video director says he looks like Randy Quaid? Sounds like another freakhouse owner:
Off the choco-douchetwins topic: More Bronx gentrification-landlord tactics to displace longtime families and inflate rentals by 40000000% for lemming transplanted fuckbags who desperately seek their urban experience.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/nyregion/06distressed.html?src=mv&ref=nyregion
I saw that, and I wanted to punch someone in the brain. It’s perfectly okay for fifteen beardos to jam themselves into a one-bedroom so long as they’re all paying $3000 a month, but longtime tenants who’ve been there for 30 years who dare complain about needed repairs? Hang ‘em high!
Oh, and you guys want to see a video on local food? How about this one on Portland locavores? Trust me on this one: the end punchline will have you laughing your ass off.
Why can’t anyone just do stuff these days without having to report it back to the rest of the world.
Fuck the internet! Fuck hipsters!
*applause*
I agree! The only thing the Internet is good for is getting porn that I am too embarrassed to buy in a store cuz I’m such a sick bastard I’m ashamed of myself.
Dear diehipster, actually, let’s call you Robert Lanham,
You’re a talented writer, I’ve read pieces that you’ve published on other properties. I read FreeWilliamsburg, and every so often I check in here for a dose of aggressive self-loathing writing.
But you really should pick a fucking lane here. I’ve noticed more times than I can count where you post something on FW praising it, then tearing the same band/person down on DH.
“The rage and self-loathing associated with hipsters has become more annoying, more naive, and more artificial than hipsters could ever hope to be.”
You are the problem Robert. The absolute core definition. If you get your nose broken at the next little literary party you attend, don’t be surprised.
Thanks Steve.
hahah – Robert Lanham is a self-loathing hipster who is trying to make amends with his own situation that he runs Diehipster.com. So funny how it works.
You should write a piece in gawker or gothamist on the diehipster expose! Diehipster is a hipster! The irony!
I guess DH is becoming more popular if these allegations are surfacing.
http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/op-ed/look_at_this_fucking_hipster_basher.php
Robert Lanham is the hipster who wrote “The Hipster Handbook”.
Failed again Stevie.
he’s the same guy. all signs point to him being diehipster. also the WHOIS registration of this page is hidden. why would diehipster hide from his true identity? because it would hurt his career. Duh.
You’re the same guy, all signs pointing to you being Steve Lame, the little Chinese closet homo who raped a bunny with his 1/8 inch rice-dick.
More news from Germany….
1. Read this link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8152346.stm
2. Now read THIS SHIT:
http://www.thelocal.de/society/20100805-28975.html
AND ASK ME WHY THEY’RE RIOTING….
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Cologne woman hits plush pay dirt with tours for teddy bears
Even stuffed animals need a holiday every now and then, according to a Cologne woman who runs a travel agency catering exclusively to teddy bears and other plush toy friends.
“It sounds crazy to many,” said trained retail saleswoman Ulrike Böhmler, admitting that she has always had a certain affection for stuffed animals.
She still has her first stuffed bear, a gift from her grandmother worn ragged by 35 years of cuddling. For some people, such plush toys remain a sentimental object for an entire lifetime, she says.
This kind of love inspired the mother of two to start her own business three years ago when she suddenly found herself unemployed.
“Back then I said in jest that I would offer teddy bear tours if I couldn’t find anything,” she said, explaining that a friend in Munich had put her up to the idea.
But the joke turned into reality and she founded “Teddy-In,” which now offers trips for toys to Hamburg, Munich, Barcelona, Rome and even Romania where the animals can follow Dracula’s fictional footsteps.
Customers book via email or letter, then ship their stuffed animal to Böhmler, who says it can be “comical” when some boxes arrive with air holes punched into cartons for the inanimate toys. She then guides the toy on its holiday tour, taking photographs along the way.
When they return the animals are sent back to their owners refreshed and with a set of vacation photos to share.
Böhmler’s toy travel agency is just one of several such businesses that have cropped up in Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, Venice and Prague.
“For many it’s a very original gift idea,” said Karsten Morschett from Teddy Tour Berlin. “Lots of people can no longer take trips on their own due to health problems and send their teddy on holiday instead.”
DDP/The Local (news@thelocal.de)
“Suburban War” describes suburban kids who grow their hair out, rail against their suburban milieu, bolt for a city, and become music snobs. “Wasted Hours” describes kids on a bus in the suburbs, feeling boxed in an longing to be “anywhere but here. But ultimately Butler recognizes that the “war on suburbia” that characterizes hipster culture (and to some extent his own life) is superficial and fleeting. By the time we abandon the suburbs and move to the city as grown ups, we begin to long for the suburbs again, recognizing that it wasn’t necessarily the hell we felt it to be as adolescents. Our childhood days in the suburbs, before the cities opened our eyes to the world, were not just “wasted hours” but rather days to be cherished.
http://stillsearching.wordpress.com/2010/07/29/arcade-fire-the-suburbs/
C’mon man…..where’s that fucking horse-face tonight??????
YO YO YO YO YO Y O. Me like same video. yO Y o YO Y o Y O yO.
Syned,
A Doctor/Scientist?????
Its called ENGLISH motherfucker…learn it.
Try again.
Yea y yo oy yo O Y o yo O yo HOS HO HO HO HO HO HO HO
YOUR URBAN BEDBUGZ ARE HOS YOUR CUL DE SAC STREET SMARTZ WILL GET YOU KILLED YOU HIPSTERS>>>>>!>!> I HATE SARAH JESSICA PARKER FOR SOME ODD REASON AND LET EVERYBODY KNOW ON THIS WEBSITE FOR SOME STRANGE REASON.
And why not? Who knows why people post the shit they do. I LIKE IT.
DOn’t be so uptight and let people express themselves for SOME STRANGE REASON. This is a place to VENT. Who made you the policeman of this site? Here, give me your email so I can get your approval on what to say before I put it up on here.
You know, your posts aren’t that earth shattering. .
And if you can’t grasp that Hipsters are the Hos of NYC I really don’t know what to say..
HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO H O HO HO HO HO HOH OH OHOH OHOHOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
These assholes charge ten dollars a bar, because the lazy fucks aren’t in it to actually make a product that can make a profit, they just want to make these eensy weensy little batches of shit, and call it a day, every day for the rest of their lives.
Someone interested in actually running a successful business, would be living in their factory, taking out huge loans, selling their bars at a loss, marketing them as hard as they could, in the hopes of expanding their business, and raking in investors. But not these asshounds. They’re keeping it “artisanal.”
oh yea – you get a lot of “cred” with the “working-class community” by running a business at a loss. You know who does that? Major corporations such as Microsoft and Sony. Only they can afford to take a loss for years. Small businesses can’t really take a loss for too long. Look at how most restraurants go out of business after a few years. When you walk by a closed restaurant do you go, “Oh boy – that guy did it the way it has to be done.”
Yeah, shit-for-brains, if you want to make it, you have to risk something. And you’re talking to somebody who makes every last dime working at a working class pizza joint.
Nobody goes into business set up to succeed. Except parentaly insured fucktards with nothing to lose. But I bet when mommy and daddy shit-for-brains were raising you in cul-de-sacville, they did everything they could to make sure you “knew” the world was all about instant success.
Do you even know how many of those working class restaurants go out of business in the first year? Something like 50%. Why? because for the first 5 years of operation, they are NOT turning any appreciable profit. Equipment costs money, vendors cost money, employees and rental spaces cost money. ALL OF THAT ADDS UP TO TAKING A RISK. Something your little jack off partners in chocolate land probably never had to take.
oh my – life is so unfair! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
THOSE. RICH. CUNTS!!!!!!!!!! The fucking nerve of them fucking up our city, raising rents, drinking fucking STRAWBERRY CHAMPAGNE AND FUCKING VODKA IMMEDIATELY AFTER MOVING IN!!!!!!!!!!!! THE WAY THAT NASALTARD PRONOUNCED “VODKA”, PRETENDING TO SOUND RUSSIAN THAT CUNT OH MY FUCKING GOD I AM LOSING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHERE THE FUCK DID THEY GET ALL THAT BOOZE IN ONE FRIDGE?
DID MOMMY AND DADDY NASAL-CUNT-BUCKS GIVE THEM THEIR MONTHLY CUT OF THEIR TRUST FUND?
DID THEIR RICH-CUNT HIPSTER FRIENDS GIVE IT TO THEM IN CELEBRATION OF THEIR CUNT-INUED YUPPIFICATION OF THIS CITY?
WHERE! WHERE! WHERE! WHERE! WHERE!?
WHERE OH WHERE CAN I FIND SOME VODKA TO GIVE TO THOSE FUCKING PASTY ASSWORMS IN MOLOTOV COCKTAIL FORM? THE FUCKERS WANT HOUSE WARMING…I’LL GIVE ‘EM HOUSEWARMING! HA HA HA HA HA!
THOSE FUCKTARDS NEED TO GET THEIR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT!
Look everybody it is snowing outside my urban apartment.
Snow in the city.
Snow in the city.
Snow in the city.
Snow in the city.
Snow in the city.
“i posted the video to show my parents where I was living. thanks for all the comments”
WHERE THE FUCK DID ALL THOSE YUPPIE FUCKS GET ALL THAT MONEY TO BUY ALL THAT EXPENSIVE SHIT!?
THEY HAVE THE NERVE TO CALL THEMSELVES STARVING ARTISTS! THOSE FUCKERS WOULDN’T LAST A DAY AS A REAL FUCKING STARVING ARTIST, LET ALONE ONE CASHING IN ON THEIR TALENTS, LIKE PICASSO OR DALI!
“WHERE THE FUCK DID ALL THOSE YUPPIE FUCKS GET ALL THAT MONEY TO BUY ALL THAT EXPENSIVE SHIT!?”
Isn’t it just amazing? The inscrutable source of these yupsters’ seemingly infinite disposable income has been baffling me for almost ten years now. Based on my observation up til now, I figure a rough estimate of the average yupster transplant’s cost of living would have to look something like this:
$2000/month for gentrified-Brooklyn apartment (if you average between the mutants living in $3500/mo places alone and the ones paying $900/mo to live five-to-an-apartment);
$100/day to eat out at the local overpriced pretentious gentrification restaurant or buy groceries at the local organic pseudo-gourmet gentrifi-specialty supermarket (conservative figure);
$40/day to go boozing with your fellow yupster mouthbreathers over microbrews or local rooftop wine at the local gentrification watering hole, which is packed to the girders with yupsters 7 nights a week (again a conservative figure);
$25/day to stay wired on $6 cups of shitty burnt chimney-soot coffee from yupster-mud purveyors like Gorilla Coffee and Stumptown;
$100/month for a Metrocard to shuttle between bodega gallery opening parties, Whole Foods and yoga;
And it goes on and on. So with the above alone, you’re already talking in the neighborhood of over $6000 a month just to maintain the basic hipster-yuppie transplant lifestyle in gentrified Brooklyn–and all of it with no jobs! Shit, with magic and illusion skills like that I’m surprised David Blaine isn’t knocking down the yupsters’ doors trying to find out how they do it. And fuck Warren Buffet and his investment savvy, gentrified-Brooklyn yupster transplants make money appear out of THIN FUCKING AIR–how can you compete with that??
This is the result of globalization and the non-regulated U.S. and global economy that has been developing since the 1960s. The average amount of income a C.E.O. of his company makes v.s. the average employee is right now around 250 times higher. In the 60′s I believe it was 50 times higher.
Without an effecient taxation on the rich, the wealthy class has been growing and growing. The divide between the rich and the poor has been too. There are so many wealthy people right now – that’s how they can have their unemployeed hipster kids, those kids who are “just looking for something to do” afford to live in these expensive regions.
I was looking at the comments and someone accused someone of being a communist and other comments defending the actions of big-time businesses. Which is the brillance of how our country operates – they have successfully brainwashed the masses – the middle class and the working class to not only be scared of being called a communist, but to take pleasure in calling other people communist.
Instead our entire country is driven on greed – the poor want to become the rich, and the rich want to become richer.
And with this system comes hipster.
Why don’t all you guys instead channel your anger towards the overall culture of America that produces this “American Dream” or “American Greed” as I see it? Instead of just getting mad of one small instance of the problem.
The Mast Brothers and even I are people who are trying to make a difference in the smallest way by influencing the culture around us. You can complain all you want about how expensive their bars of chocolate are – but these guys are producing something right here in NYC – they are making a product – something which is dying more and more. And they aren’t going anywhere soon – they aren’t vanishing.
If they didn’t have beards and were not hipsters – would you guys be so angry at them – probably yes because the “luxery chocolate item” is too expensive. Well I think luxery ice cream is expensive but I’m not mad at it because guys come on – we are talking about chocolate .
From USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-05-20-cover-generation-wealth_N.htm
The inequality debate has focused mostly on the super-rich, who have been getting super-richer. The top-earning 1% of taxpayers — those who make more than $310,000 annually — collected 17% of total income in 2005, up from 13% in 1989 and 8% in 1975, according to Internal Revenue Service data analyzed by economists Thomas Piketty at the Paris School of Economics and Emmanuel Saez of the University of California, Berkeley.
You are probably just another rich guy pretending to be for the working class. Enjoy your chocolate.
Yah bro like go out and do something like me. I take my dads money and spread the wealth to all local BK hipster establishments while growing a beard. Like yah.
So you expect to “make a difference” or influence anybody by spouting this post-modernist, gnostic sophistry? And after this long winded piece of progressive masturbation you’ve managed to miss the point of the criticisms. I guess you’re just not good at math.
Ed David – Spoken like a self-absorbed, self-promoting transplant. Spoken like someone who has had zero life-changing experience in the fallout of the mass gentrification and its gross effect on the working families and longtime businesses. Don’t even attempt to define the “problem” in the neighborhood you decided one day to live in when you are cheering on a big part of it. Speak through life experience, not through what you’ve read.
“The Mast Brothers and even I are people who are trying to make a difference in the smallest way by influencing the culture around us.”
The culture around you?????? Please inform us more about the “culture around you” since you seem to know so much about it.
“I think we risk becoming the best informed society that has ever died of ignorance.” ~Reuben Blades
Wow! Prolific!
“The Mast Brothers and even I are people who are trying to make a difference in the smallest way by influencing the culture around us.”
How are $10 shitbars influencing us? you know, “the culture around you”. Tell us about the culture around you since that does include all of us. Should I expect some generic textbook diarrhea or will you speak through your vast life experience in urban America and the human condition? Tell us how a $10 shitbar influences a generation PR family who work their asses off everyday just to survive. Tell us how a $10 shitbar influences a longtime Brooklynite who just got laid off after 20 years on the job as his rent continues to go through the roof. I want to hear all about the “culture” you are “influencing”.
1. If its simply about making a pure homegrown product then why charge so much? The product should be cheaper since its local. 2. How are they influencing the culture in the neighborhood with these chocolates? You influenced the change of the Hood. You don’t mind (in my opinion) shitting or pushing out the people there before you. That $10 dollar chocolate is definitely not for the everyday Joe. Its for your kind. The high minded troglodyte who thinks that to appreciate this shit with nuts your taste must be refined because major corporation polluted out taste buds. Cut the bullshit out already. The masturbation brothers aren’t doing anything pure or awesome. Its just the same garbage everyone else does in Williamsburg. Its the same “I have a new and different authentic pure” way making my shit look desirable. They’re in it for the money like every business. Capitalist like everyone else! The funniest part is that they sell it to blind high minded people because they’re dumb enough to fall for it. “We’re not capitalist we’re traditionalist”! All they have to do it market it to the idiot. And as far as bitching is concerned we bitch about you in the same way you bitch about major corporation. In fact you rape and destroy our neighborhoods and businesses in the way Walmart destroys small businesses in small town usa. You just haven’t accepted that yet.
their chocolate comes from Africa and South America. They employ people at living wages. They are making small quantities of product – they can’t make .000001 profits on 30,000 chocolate bars a day like the big corporations. For a second let’s try to support the little guy and see past their beards.
also I don’t rape neighborhoods and businesses. I go to the hardware stores – the post offices – the delis – the San Genero fest. I live in a Polish building. I go to the local laundrymat. I go up and down Manhattan ave and shop there. I am quiet – I don’t cause any sort of nuisances. I hate the new condos they are building. I use the park. I really keep to myself. I’m a good citizen where I live. I help out people around me and have become friends with the “non-hipster” neighbors. You really are just dealing with stereotypes which makes you as bad as anyone else. I’m trying to show you guys that this little hipster here, this Ed David, is not a stereotype. I live where I live because that’s all I can afford. And do you know how I do what I do? Because I saved money. I worked two jobs. I saved on each job and reinvested in my gear. I have a team of six people that I employ. I happen to live in Williamsburg not because I like hanging out there but because it’s cheaper than Manhattan and close enough to it. Where do you want me to move? My job is here. What do you want to do with me? I am your audience – I am your hipster that you can talk to and yell at and tell me where to go. And if you want to kill me, then please go for it. Because if you really have that much hate I don’t want to be on this planet and have to share it with you. I’d rather live live in a peaceful world.
@PS=YT
Thanks for that breakdown – I’ve been wanting to do that for a while. The fucked up thing is that none of it is exaggerated. This is what normal, hard working, longtime families and businesses have had to deal with over the past few years. And this happening during the worst economic climate we have ever seen. Truly disgusting.
acutally I just another rich white american who is against the prolification of extreme wealth in america. I’m not pretending to be anything. and my rant didn’t miss the point…you guys hate hipsters and I’m telling you that you’re hating just a small part of the problem which is the extreme wealth in the u.s.a that allows hipster son and daughter to not get a job and work hard like you and me. but allow me to guess that many of you on here are conservative in politics so you were one of those who supported the repeal of the estate tax which taxes someone when they die. instead wealth stays concentrated in families and creates more and more hipsters. so how about that? wow what a world we live in. everything we do has an effect even by not doing anything.
You mean the repealing of the estate tax that was immediately reinstated??
Better watch your back richie. Your kids might want to do you in before the year’s over while your estate is still sheltered…
I’ve brought it up before, but since you weren’t here:
Stop the bullshit Eddie. tell ya what–YOU solve the problem of gross inequalities of wealth in America, and WE’LL kill hipsters. Division of labor. Win-win. Fun for the whole family.
Dismissed.
I don’t have kids. I’m 22 years old
For which we are all incredibly thankful.
22, eh? Makes sense. Believe it or not, you still have a lot of growing up to do kid.
A 22-year-old, snot-nosed, privileged, self-righteous bitch with a camera. He’s a fucking caricature of every other “media sponge”. A perpetual urban tourist whose never been in the trenches but sits safely behind his inheritance while “educating” us all about Brooklyn’s deep culture and the causes of gentrification.
“but these guys are producing something right here in NYC – they are making a product – something which is dying more and more.”
As if nothing ever has been produced “right here in NYC” until these inbreds arrived. $10 elitists candy bars are exactly what’s killing any glimpse of the “olde tyme” culture that they claim they are reviving for the community. Their little shoppe is just another stage with actors and props with all the lemming parasites buying into another mutant sideshow which actually separates them more from the real Brooklyn and the working people who have been here for generations.
hahaha – I am from extreme wealth. My dad is Larry David. I am not shitting you. Good job guys. How did you know?
No wonder you sound like you have NO FUCKING CLUE what you are talking about. Tell you what, junior, spend about 10 more years working your ass off, then you can pretend to have an informed opinion.
So I decided to look at both the official sites of THE SCOUT and THE MAST BROTHERS.
Pretty depressing stuff.
The Scout seems to be all about proliferating “indie culture” and fake “art” and “art shows.”
The Mast Brothers site is about what one would expect…It’s ironic and “olde timey.”
What Ed David is missing is that hipsters are not the only problem in the world. All elitist, entitled scum needs to be eliminated. The difference is that hipsters are determined to PLAY POOR.
A dude driving around in a Rolls Royce might be a rich, entitled scumbag, but he’s also not gonna try to find “affordable” housing in a low-income neighborhood then completely change the culture and the dynamic of said neighborhood to suit their worthless friends.
Here’s the way it works, regardless of whether it’s Brooklyn or any other American city: You have a store. It’s been open for 50 years. You’re part of a neighborhood and a community.
Then hipster scum start to move into your area. They start opening up their ironic “boutiques” in your community, but not for your community, only for other worthless hipsters.
People stop going to your business and other historic businesses in your community. Instead, both the new “locals” and visiting yuppies only patronize the “trendy” shops and restaurants.
Then landlords begin to realize how much more money they could be making so they start raising the rent on apartments and stores so people in your community are forced to move out and close their businesses.
Then more yuppies move in and the hipsters start thinking that the area is getting too “trendy” and expensive, completely oblivious of the fact that they’re directly responsible for the change. So they begin to look for new areas to infest…Where do they look? Exactly where they people they just uprooted have moved to. And the cycle continues.
So yes, while hipsters are only a small percentage of the actual American scum quotient, they are responsible for as much as half of the nauseating “gentrification” going on all over the country. Just look for any area where young “artists” are currently moving, and in 5 years it’ll be yuppie heaven.
thank you lee.. you admitted it…its the landlords that are the problem just as much. also don’t you think its the fact that all production has moved overseas so the factories that once thrived in the u.s. can’t compete anymore? there is such a bigger issue here and its the result of unaffordable rent and globalization and greed. u hate hipsters then start trying to show people that being a billionare isn’t any better than being a millionare.
What an easy escape for your fucking ass. Just blame all natives and their businesses for being lame and give credit to the bearded transplants for copying the natives who had to leave. You are such a naive fuckster. I cannot even begin to explain your stupidity.
I think the gentrification of neighborhoods can be horrible. It displaces hard-working Americans and eventually leads the way to Starbucks. But the hipster is just one small part of the problem – and probably when you start seeing them it’s too late. You guys if you want to stop them from invading places like Red Hook or like Far Rockaway you need to stop their parents from amassing so much money that they can support the little ones with a 2500 one-bedroom house. Their parents, which are growing richer and richer in comparision to the middle class and the poor, have too much money and as a result their kids can be lazy and drift thru life. End this. You can be part of the movement to stop billionaires from controlling our lives . Do you want that? I do – have you ever been to Europe? It seems kind of reasonable there. They regulate the wealth in certain areas. Of course it’s not perfect – but overall their livability seems healthier.
I love this discussion. It’s a good dialogue we are having. Thank you for wasting your time on me.
http://www.kittyguerrilla.com/HBS/
Coming from the Anti-Corporate shitbag who made the commercial for Harvard Business School.
wow you got me Hipsterminator – I am full of shit. except for the fact that I never said I wasn’t full of shit. You guys have been saying that. Also I love working for corporations – they treat me right. And I use that money for art – such as this video I shot. I shot it for free. How could I afford that? Oh yea because I get paid.
Shut the Fuck Up Stevie.
hahah Diehipster I love how you keep defending big corporations when they are part of the reason there is a lessening of pension plans in America and why there was an oil spill worse than Exxon Valdez a few short weeks ago. Big business is not good for the world. They have run amuck. To learn more, watch the documentary, “the Corporation.” You are in all literal sense defending a psychopath. The big corporations are still here – just their means of production has moved to the third world because of the almighty dollar and greed for continual profits and stock growth. If only a company’s stock wasn’t the most important thing going for it. You are a straight-up dumb naive fuck yourself. Ooooh boy, let’s all blame the hipsters. It’s so easy to blame these little guys when you are looking at just the trees, not the forest.
What a moron you are. Ok was the laptop that your bony wrists are resting on right now made by Ye Olde Computer shop on Bedford? Were those filthy Converse you’re wearing sewn by some nice family of shoe makers in Bushwick? Did you fly in from Ohio on a big paper airplane or an actual Boeing whatever. You fucking idiot. You think you’re going to reverse 100 years of progress? If those corps didn’t exist there would be chaos. And you are their consumer no matter how much you praise the Masturbation Bros. But hey, I’m arguing with a Brooklyn vacationer who’s still not sure if he wants to be Steven Spielberg or Jack White while all his friends keep on pouring into Brooklyn to spread culture and displace uncultured working fools from around the world.
Bro you can’t reason with someone whose entire argument is based off of ivory tower liberal arts degree theorization, and who has absolutely no real world experience or common sense to base his reasoning off of. This idiot is parroting the same exact arguments that he was fed by his shit-for-brains liberal arts professors and fellow suburban-bred bubble kids while he was undergoing his four-year yupster boot camp to prepare for his migration to gentrified Brooklyn.
Trying to explain why the corporate role in society is not so black and white to a pseudo-creative hipster-yuppie transplant is probably more hopeless than trying to demonstrate the theory of relativity to an infant. Like someone else said, with these yupsters you might as well be talking to a wall.
LO FUCKING L. You guys (DH and PS) are hilarious.
Its even funnier that he claims that WE have been brainwashed. A 22 year old urban yuppie fresh faced out of art school… Give me a break!
i didn’t go to art school and I’m not 22 years old. keep making assumptions about me…this is fun.
Ed david
“I don’t have kids. I’m 22 years old”
Are you losing track of your own bullshit?
hahaha Robert you keep defending the big corporations. are you Ray Croc’s grandson? Oh big corporations have really done so much good for our world. I think Halliburton is just doing such good things for everyone and so is Enron. Chaos without them? The human race has existed for 50,000 years without them and I don’t think they complained about it. Corporations care about profits – nothing else.
Shut the Fuck Up Stevie!
Are you serious?
You totally missed the point of what I’m saying.
Of course the landlords are raising the rents. But why?
Cause they know they can totally gouge the useless hipster scum that’s moving in.
If those pathetic wastes of cum didn’t all feel so entitled, like they have the the right to take over other people’s homes and communities, then landlords wouldn’t be seizing the opportunities to double rents.
Sure, the landlords are raising the rents, not the hipsters, but think of it like this: if I push you in front of a train and you get hit, I didn’t hit you with the train, but if I hadn’t pushed you in front of it, you wouldn’t have even gotten a scratch. That’s the point: hipsters ARE directly responsible for the rent hikes, even though the landlords put them in place.
the problem is not the hipsters – it’s the poor artists who move into an area because they are looking for affordable rent. after they come, then comes the hipsters and the businessmen. the artists are the pollinators – they change a neighborhood into a safer environment and encourage other white folk to come. Once the area is safe and desireable for white folk, then the landlords raise the rent.
The problem is that there is simply not enough housing available in NYC. Too many people want to live here. It’s exciting. You don’t need a car. There is culture. So rent must be raised.
Wait, “Ed the videographer” and “Ed david”
One in the same?
Well, both of you are still missing the greater point of what I’m saying – and yes, I hate hipster scum and would like them to be dumped into the Atlantic or Pacific oceans (I wonder if they float?).
I don’t think that anyone on here is arguing that hipsters are responsible for all the ills of the world, but wherever they infest, they ultimately destroy.
Let’s use your logic for a second: It’s the [genuinely] poor and starving artists who are the real culprits…OK…The difference is real artists MAKE ART, they don’t sit around their friend’s “galleries” having “group shows” in which they compliment each others third grade Crayola drawings.
I know real artists who have lived in Brooklyn for decades who can no longer afford it because they’re actual artists, meaning they make a living by selling their work. I wouldn’t hold them at all responsible for the hipster influx.
However, you are right in that the hipsters do tend to flock to areas they perceive as “authentic,” especially if there’s any sort of “art scene” happening there.
The problem is, the hipsters don’t want to become part of any existing community nor help any community thrive, they just wanna steal whatever they can from it, then take it over.
Hipsters are intimidated by actual artists because (despite what they claim and the finger painting “found” street art they put up) hipsters aren’t artists. They’re intimidated by real middle class working people because they know they’re too drunk and lazy to hold down a real job. They’re intimidated by people who don’t look like them because those people have souls and hardships, not just manipulative “poseur” personas which allow them to feel justified in crying over a stolen fixie.
Despite what hipsters say, they don’t want to live in “authentic” neighborhoods, they just wanna live in a rich urban ghetto surrounded exclusively by other hipsters, away from anyone with real ambitions, real talents, and real lives because they’re so insecure and aware of how useless they are that they can’t bare the constant reminder of how 90% of people (including real artists) live.
But Lee – the Hipster follows the real artist so to kill the hipster you have to kill the artist too.
I agree with you 100% – I hate these stupid hipsters. I just walked around Bedford avenue – one guy was painted like a parrot and some other guys were hanging out around a xmas tree with a smiley face on it thinking it was the funniest thing around.
You can get mad at these fucks so easily, cause they are right there. But there is a bigger problem.
Anyway I’m beginning to realize this site is just made to be a place to get angry, not a place to do anything more with that anger. Which is why I love it right now.
So you fucking stupid self-loathing hypocritical pseudo artist and rich elitist cunts can stop trying to attack me when we are on the same page.
One last thing everyone – as soon as you start to defend the actions of Walmart or Enron, you have lost your focus. It shows just how fucking stupid you are.
And I am 28 years old and I have more life experience than many of you. Why? Because I listen to people.
This string made me smile. I agree with you now to a degree.
Its hard not to get angry though.
Well Larry Livermore did a much better job explaining what I wanted to say: http://larrylivermore.com/?p=1367
You guys are all right – I have a bit of growing up to do. One day I hope I will be able to write as elegantly and with such reasoning as he.
Ed, as I said earlier (and I can obviously only speak for myself), hipsters are not the only problem facing the infrastructure of modern American cities, but they’re certainly not part of the solution and always do more harm than good.
I certainly don’t support the monopolization of industry (both small and large) by big corporations and I would (and do) support local businesses before I shell out cash to billionaires. But let’s get real (and back to the topic at hand): The Mast Brothers are hardly making themselves into roll models for how to run a small business, for average people. Hell, they’re charging over $9 for a bar of chocolate! I don’t care how much sweat, labor, and beard goes into it, they’re no Godiva and how in the hell is anyone with under a six figure income expected to spend more than half of an hour’s wage on a fucking bar of chocolate?
There you have hipster business models: talk about your “mystical journeys,” dress like it’s 1795, and wrap your overpriced sweets in ironic hand stenciled wallpaper. It’s the American entrepreneurial dream in action.
Lee you are the few people on here who can form a cohesive sentence not bogged down by hate. Thank you. No one has to buy the chocolate. You don’t. So it’s okay. It’s a luxury item. But unlike Godiva it is hand-crafted and produced in small quantities. Plus Godiva chocolate is owned by Campbell Soup. The Mast Brothers is not owned by a giant corporation.
NO BITCH. He didn’t please see IKJ’s comments, where I made him wimper.
You still don’t get it.
the only real natives are the native americans. I bet back then in the 1600s they were pissed when your ancestors invaded their land. so don’t give me that line about who belongs here and who doesn’t. nyc is a melting pot. did you ever here that phrase before. deal with it. your insecurity is based on the amount you rant on hipsters.
Your ancestors invaded their land too you uber-rich first-estate dwelling, organic coffee and wine swilling CUNT!
yea my ancestors did you fucking moron. but I’m not complaining or bitching about the current invasion of stupid annoying hipsters. I feel really bad about how we treated native Americans. and I realize that being mad at the hipsters is just as shallow and stupid.
also i don’t drink coffee…I drink tea. Keep all those stereotypes coming. I am a giant stereotype.
“nyc is a melting pot. did you ever here that phrase before. deal with it.”
Yes, and we all know that the lemming invasion of whitebred, underemployed, pretentious, uncultured, spoiled suburban rejects who have displaced and overpriced working class families and businesses and have turned parts of Brooklyn into one huge homogenized and segregated shit fest uphold that phrase.
Just look at the longtime working class Brooklynite families and immigrants, respectable people of our city who are scraping by to feed their families everyday and who have made NYC the melting pot of the world: Italians, Blacks, Polish, Irish, Puerto Ricans, Chinese, Dominicans, Haitians, Russians, Colombians, Indians. Look at them all lining up like the fucking United Nations at Masturbation Brothers with their hard earned $10 bills in hand to buy one of these magical mystical chocolate bars in hope to find that golden ticket.
Hahahaha. What a fucking joke.
If anybody can suck the culture, heart, soul, diversity and multi-colors out of our neighborhoods, it’s pretentious fucks like you and your elitist choco buddies. I’m surprised the chocolate isn’t white.
oh yea Bill nothing like white rich hipsters to take out culture. Because we don’t support art like BAM or go to the parks or go to Polish restaurants and the sort. We only drink hipster PBR at hipster establishments and actually steal money from non-hipsters. You are a dumb shallow fuck.
Do you have a black friend, too?
is anyone on here Black? then all of a sudden this site would become more interesting.
u got something to say?
hey remember the good old days of williamsburg when u could get held up at gun point and tied up for 2 days? man I miss those days so much. I’d love to see how many people on this blog lived in brooklyn before 2000. oh wait my friend did and the above situation happened to him.
You’re starting to choke on your own shit.
Please address my comment above. Let’s hear about your version of that phrase “melting pot”….and what that means to you.
Bill the “Ed” that said “melting pot” is Steve just so you know.
“your insecurity is based on the amount you rant on hipsters.”
That recycled last line gives it away.
Exactly how “diverse” are the people who spend $10 for a piece of chocolate from these inbreds? Huh? And by “diverse” I don’t mean that one transplanted mutant shits on canvas while another plays a tuba. I mean “diverse” as in the working class Brooklynites around you.
oh Bill – what’s with you and the price of the chocolate which is actually $8 a bar. Why does that hurt you so much? if the bar was $3, would you feel better? Then it would be acceptable, right? So you working class brooklyn guys could buy it. Listen man, it’s chocolate. It’s luxery. You shouldn’t buy it unless you want to. Mr. Hersheys is still there at $1.50 a bar if you want it. How does Mr. $8 a bar hurt you guys so much? Does it make you feel poor and unworthy? You know how much a pack of smokes cost? $11. Oh wait though, you probably can afford that.
How does $92 for 10 shitbars influence the “culture around you”?
Oh, and I can afford a $9.20 candy bar. I’m just not stupid enough to throw my money at some pretentious bullshit like so many transplanted lemmings do day in and day out. $9.20 candy bars do not help a community or keep it diverse in any way. Why can’t you accept our contempt towards overpriced pretentious shit like this? Why does it hurt you so much? Are you upset that you get praise from all the transplanted lemmings, but not from the actual people who are part of NYC’s melting pot? You know that phrase, don’t you? Why does our disdain hurt you so?
Oh Bill – you are part of the melting pot but I’m not? When did you come here? Where you here in the 1600s. Did you sleep on a tree in South Manhattan and play the flute? Is it really overpriced? Have you asked them why the bars cost what they do? I already told you why it costs so much. A. The ingredients are imported from Africa and South America. B. They employe a staff at living wages. C. They are not mass-producing anything. The bars are hand-made all the way to the wrappers. D. It’s a luxury item. This is America – they are free to charge whatever they want. If they were making milk and they were the only ones – then yes I would be mad. But they are making a product for chocolate lovers and foodies – they can set the price at whatever they want. They are in business and they seem to be that they will stay in business. Why does anything cost anything in the U.S.? Is A-rod worth three million dollars a year? Is a Broadway play ticket really worth $90? And more importantly cigerettes cost $11 a pack. Who here buys cigerettes? To me, that’s the real crime. Cause you guys need them. You have no choice but to pay the premium for them.
So calm down Bill. Just pretend the Mast Brothers chocolate doesn’t exist and know that they are employing people at living wages. They are not evil like Walmart.
Why does our disdain hurt you so?
Yeah, everybody here smokes cigarettes. Idiot.
it helps the community because right here in Williamsburg a product is being made. It’s not being made in India or China. Right here. And he’s employing people at a living wage. That to me is something.
Yes, because food products have NEVER been made in Brooklyn before. Quit trying to reinvent the wheel and then put a huge markup on it claiming it’s been done better.
“Quit trying to reinvent the wheel and then put a huge markup on it claiming it’s been done better.”
Brilliantly put.
oh yea look at Domino sugar factory. Oh wait that was bought by Florida Crystals Corporation and was shut down and moved to God Knows Where. Probably to India right next to the sweatshops your precious Walmart is using to make you shirts that cost $4.
Does Brooklyn Lager bother you? Or how about Sixpoint which is a premium beer? Does that upset you? Why don’t you figure out why they need to charge more? Maybe it’s cause cost of real estate is so expensive to produce anything? Oh so the real estate is high. well that’s because of the hipsters, right? No, it’s because of the demand for NYC is too high and there is not enough space for everyone’s needs. It’s more than just the hipsters. NYC’s population increased nearly 1.2 million from 1990 to 2000. http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/census/pop2000.shtml
“Immigration played a crucial role in the population increase over the decade, with nearly 1.2 million immigrants admitted to New York City in the 1990s. This high level of immigration has, to a large extent, countered a substantial net outflow of residents to other parts of the nation. At the same time, a high level of births in the 1990s and fewer deaths, added substantial numbers to the population. With more than 1.266 million births and 682,000 deaths, the level of natural increase totaled 584,000. The increasing share of immigrants in the city, who tend to be younger on average than other residents, is largely responsible for the high level of natural increase.”
Oh shoot – its the immigrants who are driving up rent and forcing the hipsters on you!! And also people living longer. Let’s change the name of this to “dieimmigrant. ” Oh wait, I think the domain was already taken in Arizona.
“Why does that hurt you so much? if the bar was $3, would you feel better? Then it would be acceptable, right? ”
Well, in a way, yes. To me at least.
The issue I have with it is the price, not the fact that hipsters are making it. But because hipsters are making and selling it, the ridiculous price is par for the course.
And despite not being a New Yoker, I can still say that it makes a hell of a difference that this store is located in Brooklyn, as opposed to, say, Madison Ave and 50th St. in Manhattan.
Yes, it does make difference that “boutiques” in a historically working class neighborhood are charging more than any working class person can afford to pay and I’ll let you figure out why.
Lee these guys didn’t move into Williamsburg before it became what it is now. Maybe if they did open up in like Bed-Stey that would be more interesting. I was walking about Bushwick the other day and say a high-end gourmet store. And it’s tasty. And it’s marketed to middle class white kids. The owners are Korean. Does this make them evil like the mast Brothers? If the owners of the store are immigrants themselves but catering to Middle Class white people? Check your logic, my friend.
I lived there in the 80′s.
tcaster how was it in the 80′s? so much better right? more crime – right? but hey crime is so exciting right? it’s like you’re in the wire when you’re getting mugged not so sure if you’re going to live or not. Man I wish I was living right now in Bed Stuy so I could experience all that. I love getting mugged.
So, in YOUR EYES two Brooklyns exist.
1) Pre-gentrifed Brooklyn:
Included working class neighborhoods made up of longtime families and all different types of people from around the world, BUT, They were ALL criminals, had NO place to buy quality neighborhood made goods (pastries, meals, products) and produced zero culture (music, art, literature, film). Savages!
2) Gentrified Brooklyn:
Includes underemployed “creatives” paying a 400% markup on everything imaginable, total crime free streets (fewer minorities, right?), locally produced goods ($9.20 candy bars, $9 coffee, $12 grilled cheese sandwiches, $8 hot dogs, etc), and of course ALL THE GREAT CULTURE that never existed before all you extremely talented and uber-cultured creative juggernauts arrived.
Thank you for saving us all and showing Brooklyn what quality food, awesome art, and cultural diversity is all about.
no in my mind there was this.
Williamsburg pre-2000 – Dangerous and kind of shitty. With good culture from Poland and Italy and the Hassids and the Puerto Ricans. but dangerous. I wouldn’t want to live there. I moved to Williamsburg in 2003.
Williamsburg post-2000 – safer, more friendly.
the culture was good and is still good. but now women can ride the subways at 2am and not be afraid of getting raped.
It sucks Bill when the smaller mom and pop stores go out of business but it’s not just because of the hipsters. That’s all I am trying to say. It’s because of much bigger factors including here’s a new one – that people are buying more online instead of going into stores. Anyway, you can’t just see black and white in that the hipsters are the reason for the closing of these beautiful old shops. It may appear that way but really there is much more at work here.
I’m 30. I was born and raised in Greenpoint/Williamsburg. I’m female. And I’m white. I was never mugged here. I was never raped here. I was never tied up here. I stayed out late, ran around with groups of friends (of all colors mind you), and did all the stupid things kids do. I also never engaged in any crime worse than smoking a joint or getting into a fistfight with another stupid teenager over a boy. My parents worried about some of the areas like near the river or the south side because my parents fear “ethnic people”. I didn’t. It was my home. I knew everyone. I felt safe. There was crime, sure. There was poverty, sure. All cities have both. But my friends, save one, all made it through safe and sound. But he didn’t die in this neighborhood. Crime has been going down all around the country for years now. Not just here due to the magical hipster culture so please get that point clear in your mind. I’m sorry for your friend, but it was a random act of violence. Or he got on the wrong persons bad side. It’s a terrible thing, but his experience doesn’t give you the right to call out a neighborhood as bad on the whole prior to gentrification. And it doesn’t make the neighborhood a better place to live now. Now there may not be a mugging. But the streets can be blocked all night by throngs of hipsters “demonstrating” or having “performance art” and resisting the police who are there to help the community, or making it impossible for emergency vehicles to get through. I’ve watched it happen. It’s no less a crime than a mugging, but the hipster won’t see it that way because the hipster is a self-absorbed, self-righteous spoiled brat. Your argument here about less crime and safer streets now that all the snobby elitists are here just exemplifies the attitude which brings us natives to diehipster to point and laugh at, and rage about hipster scum.
Greenpoint was not the Southside of Williamsburg prior to the 90s. That was one of the worse areas in NYC. I read four years ago or so that Bushwick Brooklyn has the highest murder rate in NYC. Do you think it will change when the hipsters and other middle class people move there? I’m sure it already has.
http://bushwickbk.com/forum/index.php?board=31;action=display;threadid=19335
Written in 2008:
“Turning to Bushwick’s 83rd Precinct, the numbers indeed show a 10.22% increase in all reported crimes over last year’s – or 442 to 401. This, however, represents a slight 1.78% decrease in crime reported during a similar period in 2006. It is also, as one would expect, far lower – 68.22% lower – than the numbers registered back in 1993.”
Wow 68% lower crime than 1993. I wonder what factors have caused that? More aggressive police behavior? Introduction of birth control? Changing cultural attitudes towards violence? Or changing demographics in the area? You decide.
Multiple factors including an increase in police presence, changing of tactics, birth control, and changing demographics. There was also the crack problem in the 80s and 90s, and the problem of gangs coming in from LA, which caused a spike in the crime rate. Now that it is not as much of a problem, crime rates have again been going down. There’s also the allegations of police falsifying reports or reducing charges to artificially lower statistics. I’m not arguing that crime hasn’t dropped. I’m saying it’s dropped all over the state and, in fact, all over the country. You can’t point to one area and claim it’s been saved if the numbers reflect that the crime rate, especially violent crime, in the entire state has gone down.
You make some intelligent sounding points in some of your posts and I’m almost inclined to defend you on some. I, unlike many of the angry commenters here, am perfectly happy getting out of Brooklyn. So the hipsters are more an annoyance to me than a true problem. I also tend to think some of the things they’re doing are at least interesting, if somewhat misguided. I’m even very friendly with some people who most would look at and dismiss as a hipster. No, it’s not their beards or their bizarre clothing or their accents that bother me. It’s not that they’ve come to NY. It’s the air of superiority they carry with them wherever they go. It’s the attitude that they are special and that they have brought culture to the areas they populate. It’s the disrespect for everything they have helped to destroy and displace. It’s the same attitude that you are showing by touting the safer neighborhood they’ve helped create based on very specific and allegedly fudged statistical data. It’s the “look, we made it better” attitude that I hate. I’m leaving Brooklyn of my own design. I never intended to raise a family here. But I do sympathize with those who want to stay but can’t afford to. And then have to hear how much “better” the neighborhood is now-without them.
Fuck that motherfucker, don’t cede any ground to these inbreds. There is no reason to give the yupsters any credit for anything, because their position is indefensible. That’s why it’s so easy to wipe away all the tired old arguments they come with time and time again.
“No, it’s not their beards or their bizarre clothing or their accents that bother me. It’s not that they’ve come to NY. It’s the air of superiority they carry with them wherever they go. It’s the attitude that they are special and that they have brought culture to the areas they populate. It’s the disrespect for everything they have helped to destroy and displace. It’s the same attitude that you are showing by touting the safer neighborhood they’ve helped create based on very specific and allegedly fudged statistical data. It’s the “look, we made it better” attitude that I hate.”
I’m so unhip, thanks for providing the most intelligent and well reasoned argument in this debate. You seem like a good soul.
Thank you. You seem like an old soul for…21 did you say? Intelligent and reasonable.
Here is a beautiful example of how talent like Ed David can meet a talent like Martin Greenfield in Bushwick and the two of them can create an incredibly moving piece about the importance of supporting the local community.
Ed David has a conscience and uses his talents to do GOOD in the midst of the shit work.
thanks LH. Wow maybe I am more than just a stereotype?
No one is cool with trust funders complaining that expressing their feelings is nearly as hard as fitting into their skinny jeans. I don’t wish death upon them though, maybe a hard days work though.
I can testify Ed is not one of these and generally up at 4am home at 11pm from working all day 6 days a week. That’s why I’m shocked he’s tuned me into his secret shame of posting this week on this site.
I thought the people following thread might be interested in my 2 cents.
CHOCOLATE
Although, I live with this self-described hipster. I, coincidently, used to work internationally for one of the largest manufacturer of candy in the world. Something I learned there was that you should check the packaging, most “chocolate” in america legally has to be called “chocolate flavored” because there’s not enough actual chocolate in it. The FDA mandates a certain amount of the product to actually contain cocoa, which companies like mine didn’t put in and then we sold it by the container load to wal marts and stores across america. Undoubtedly there is a quality difference between the Mast Brothers and large scale manufacturers. However, I probably will not be paying $10 for a chocolate bar anytime soon. If the “beardos” can make a living doing it or spend their inheritance on it, why should I care? Let them pursue their happiness.
GENTRIFICATION
I don’t know how to even address the dialogue of “gentrification” Life is what it is, places change, people are annoying, people are cool, “the good old days” argument is an expression used by impotent people in the present. If it wasn’t hipsters, it was hippies, or yuppies, and preps, greasers, or dear god ethnics.
I can hear my immigrant grandfather talk about how the Italians ruined his neighborhood. And his son married an italian lady…he got over it as will the “native hard working Brooklynites”
This false nostaglia of the “Good old days” also applies to Wal-Mart or as ed describes “cultureless” small town america. Wal-Mart does what every business tries to do-make money, they just do it better than most. As the mast brothers the Walton’s wanted to influence their local culture, than they thought bigger.
Personally though my take is this is how it affects me. I’m not sure which is better when shopping, checking out with the hipster beardos or the wheezing obese lady with skin tags on her neck at wal mart. I generally prefer salty latinas or chatty old russian ladies, which is harder to find back home in small town america.
Wal-Marts might be annoying in the homogenization of the Globe, but that’s life.
ED DAVID
I think Ed posted the video here to get feedback from a critical audience-a very unhipster move in my book. He’s working right now as I type-very unhipster on a saturday.
I’m not sure what the core of anyone’s argument is on here, that is the source of anger which i imagine for everyone is based on personal experience. Did a hipster kill your mother? Did he take your job for a lower wage? steal your girl?
I’m not sure if the Mast Brothers chocolate or Ed’s film is “changing the world” in the do-gooder sense. Statements like “the X people are ruining my neighborhood” presumes a static world which simply doesn’t exist. The bitching back in forth has made a pretty entertaining morning though.
Ed likes people who do what they love, so he filmed them for a few hours.
Diehipster fans LOVE hating hipsters.
I suggest a creative reconciliation. Can Ed shoot a piece on some of the people who love hating hipsters? Volunteers? Ed?
“I’m not sure what the core of anyone’s argument is on here, that is the source of anger which i imagine for everyone is based on personal experience.”
That’s the problem. Experiences you don’t relate to or understand. These pages are filled with anecdotes and experiences about why this site exists.
“Did a hipster kill your mother? Did he take your job for a lower wage? steal your girl?”
No, all those reasons are laughable and again expose a subtle dismissive snark that seems to be inherent with most yupster transplant scum.
$10 candy bars being sold by pompous transplants in Brooklyn under the guise of “olde tyme” tradition is just offensive and ridiculous to many of the hard working people who have lived here for generations. Why do you, or “Ed” care what we think anyway?
I liked the video, as a piece of videomaking. It’s well edited and has some excellent videography (thanks in part to a lens with shallow depth of field).
For the record, I’m 21 years old and a jaded fuck. But I also try to look at everything through the lens of logic.
My personal hatred of hipsters doesn’t come from their lack of initiative, their lies,or their shitty fake “art,” it comes from how fucking oblivious they are and how entitled they feel about everything.
I get pissed off by the little things; like when some twit on a fixie runs a red light and gets hit by a car that had the right of way and proceeds to smash the dude’s windshield with his broken bike (true story). I get livid when one of those useless fucks GLUES their putrid band poster to the front door of my building. Or when those hopeless failed abortions throw their colt 45 and PBR cans out their windows and onto the sidewalk. I wanna kill them when, on a weeknight, when I need to get up at 7 AM, I can’t sleep til 2 AM cause they’re blasting their shitty music so loud it can be heard down the block. I’m sick of Critical Mass blocking the street for 2 hours. And I’m most tired of those entitled pieces of shit coming into the video store I manage and asking to hang to hang up posters for their crap shows, resulting in a conversation that typically goes like this:
Hipster: Hey duuuude. Can I hang up a poster for a show my friend’s band is doing?
Me: Are you a customer?
Hipster: Nah, I really don’t have money for movies, I just download them. Sweet place though.
Me: So you’re asking me to support your friend’s show right after you’ve just told me you’ll never support my business?
Hipster: I mean, they’re a really awesome band and the cover is only $10.
Me: So, for the price of admission to your show, you could rent 4 movies from me.
Hipster: Yeah, but this is live. It’s gonna be so cool!
Me: They’re a local band, right? So I’d assume they play live fairly often?
Hipster: I dunno, I just think it’s cool.
…And so on…
I seriously have this conversation just about every day of the week. Talk about caring about the community. All hipsters want to do is “support” their fellow scum. That’s why I’m pissed.
I get that all of the time, too. “Could you donate extras to our Hipster Faire auction? We don’t have any room for you to set up a table, and it’s really just a private party for us and our friends that’s being subsidized by your donations, but it’s for a rilllllllllly good cause! Like, um, er, uh, good stuff that affects the community, you know?”
“Ed likes people who do what they love, so he filmed them for a few hours.
Diehipster fans LOVE hating hipsters.
I suggest a creative reconciliation. Can Ed shoot a piece on some of the people who love hating hipsters? Volunteers? Ed?”
You gotta be fucking kidding me.
Go out on any street corner and point your camera at any native, non suburban, non bearded, non attention seeking person. The kind of people with no tattoos and no beards. Ask them what they think of hipsters. If they look at you funny, say “you know, the annoying kids with tight jeans who look down their nose at everyone.”
You don’t need to come here for hipster haters.
And furthermore, for those (2) arguing that The Mast Bros. are stimulating the local economy, what local economy are they stimulating since most locals can’t afford their product?
I mean, it’s not like they’re hiring real Brooklynites to work for them. Their entire staff (as inferred by their site) is composed of upper class transplants.
So what exactly are they contributing to? Certainly not the economy of the neighborhood.
hey lee. what they are contribuating to is the production of chocolate that is not mass produced. they are giving americans an alternative product. diversification of food…thats culture. and please let’s stop this bullshit about their 8 dollar chocolate bar being too much when cigerettes cost 11 a pack and a lot of working class americans can afford that. so stop bitching. go pretend to be working class cause its so cool!!! working class people love that they are working class. they love being treated like shit! you are so cool. yea for you and your working class values! bill you’re as full of shit as I am
SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU TINY DICKED ASIAN FAILURE!!!
lee as I said before you’re one of the few on here that can make intelligent posts. I agree w you about your frustrations w these shithead hipsters. but the mast brothers aren’t one of them….they are doing their own thing. hence why I posted. there is such a thing as a decent hipster. admit that and I will leave this site forever.
To me, the very term “hipster,” in it’s present day connotation, is completely negative.
Once you become a contributing citizen you cease to be a “hipster.” The term immediately implies a lack of productivity and respect for other people.
So no, there is no such thing as a “decent hipster.” It’s simply impossible.
Ed, I don’t know exactly what you’re defending? Just The Mast Bros. or any hipster that actually gets a paycheck from time to time?
The issue people on this blog have with The Mast Bros. and other “working” hipsters is that they don’t really do “work.”
I’m not saying that they all need 9-5 corporate jobs or ought to be working at dry cleaners or something like that, but running your own overpriced chocolate “company” or having an “art galley” or trendy “vintage mart” is hardly a career. And I can’t stress this enough – PRICE MATTERS.
I’m repeating myself now, but when you open a business in a working class area, you don’t open a restaurant that sells $50 steaks. Businesses open to suite the needs of a community, they don’t open to force the community to change.
oh so Lee you working in a video store is being a productive member of society moreso than the Mast Brothers because you are working at a place that charges $4 to rent a movie when you CAN FUCKING rent a movie for $1 a day. Your shit is overpriced and that’s why Redbox and Netflix rule and your mom and pop videostores are almost all out of business. But hey lots of streetcred to you. Working in a video store is as “slacker” as possible. It’s actually pre-hipster. You are like the next Kevin Smith or Quentin Tarintino. Oh wait, you’re 20 years too late. You are like a living version of CLERKS! You are so cool.
I work every single fucking day and I have 3 jobs. I haven’t had an actual break or vacation in over 2 years. Do I like what I do? Hell yes. But the reason I’m able to do what I like is because I’ve been doing it since I was 16.
I love how you’re saying neighborhood businesses that don’t cater to hipster scum ought to be put out of business! Ha! What would you prefer? An ironic downloading station in 80′s neon at each corner? So these pieces of shit can load their favorite crap onto their ipods and iphones?
Gimme a break…
YOU ARE A FAILURE AS A HUMAN BEING STEVIE!!!
YOU’RE LIFE IS ONE LONG HOLIDAY.
OH BY THE WAY, DID YOU GET THAT FREE BUS PASS FROM HUMBER COLLEGE YET?
STEP DOWN FROM THE WEB DESIGN CLASS YOU FAILED AT ALONQUIN COLLEGE OF THE ARTS
WHICH WAS A STEP DOWN FROM AN IT DEGREE…
YOU FUCKING FUCKUP!!!
GO BACK TO FUCKING CHINA YOU USELESS BOY-WHORE!!!!!!
Hey man, I got a new theory…
Notice how he keeps saying…lets work together…Im on your side….
You know what that shit really means?
HE WANTS OUR APPROVAL
HE IS AFRAID
Somehow, WE mean something to him. How utterly fucking pathetic. What’s more pathetic, him fucking a stuffed animal or this whiney shit?
Seriously, why else would he spend so much fucking time on this? WHAT A DESPERATE FUCKING HO.
You know why so many independent video stores are going out of business? Cause lazy, entitled 20 somethings DOWNLOAD movies instead of renting or buying them.
So FUCK YOU trying to tell me that “Redbox and Netflix rule.” Yeah, in the same way that overpriced chains like Whole Foods “rule” because they have a wider selection than a neighborhood deli.
let’s calm down Lee. all I am saying is that the mom and pop chains can’t compete with Redbox and Netflix which charge like $1 for a rental. That’s why they are going out of business, not because people can download movies for free. How many people do you think know how to put together a PAR file in the U.S.? People still can’t even change the clock on their vcr.
So therefore you work at at place that is overcharging what people come to expect for the price of a dvd – so you are working for guys just as bad as the mast brothers – acccording to your logic.
Which of course isn’t true. I love video stores. I love browsing dvds and learning about new films. I think it’s a beautiful thing for film lovers and to get new people excited about film.
I know you work a lot and that’s great. That’s what we need in America.
Wait, YOU’RE “ed the videographY” in addition to “Ed the videographER” in addition to simply being “Ed David.”
That’s a bit overwhelming.
Peter Lugers charges $50 a steak and is one of the most important restaurants in NYC. It brings people from all over the world to NYC. It’s that good. They are in the Puerto Rican section of brooklyn. One of the poorest areas. Does anyone here care to tell me how Peter Lugers is not good for the world and culture cause they charge so much for a steak? You know, I can get a really excellent piece of steak from the supermarket for like $12. So therefore according to your logic Peter Lugers is as bad as the Mast Brothers.
Oh wait a second – they are Italian!! And they have been there for a long time. So they are fine!!
What working class person can afford a $50 steak? Peter Lugers must be attacked!!!
That’s the thing. No one ever ate Peter Luger’s every day. On the other hand, you yupster faux-hemian transplants eat and drink your overpriced pseudo-gourmet garbage all day every day until it gets to the point where the normal businesses offering reasonably-priced, unpretentious products and services get priced out. So go fuck yourself.
also lee you’re a hipster too. only hipsters call em fixies and live in williamsburg or wherever you are. everyone here is a self loathing hypocritical piece of shitturd
“fixie” is sarcastic. I know that’s what hipsters call them and I use the term sarcastically to make fun of them. I don’t even own a bike nor do I know how to ride one. I also don’t drink or smoke, I can’t stand bar “culture” or shitty hipster music made on computers. And most importantly, I earn a living, as opposed to being supported by my parents.
I don’t live in NYC and I’ve only been to Williamsburg once in my life, despite having to travel to NYC ever 2 months on business.
“they are giving americans an alternative product. diversification of food…”
No, they’re giving a very select number of Americans a different product.
That was the whole point of my earlier post about the importance of price: when you price your product so that only the wealthy elite can afford it, you’re hardly offering a viable alternative.
Ed, I don’t think you are a bad guy. I think you agree with a lot of what’s being said here but either don’t wanna admit it or want to try and minimize its impact. Why I do not know.
Lee you are a fucking liar. No one knows that phrase but hipsters. Do a little test with your working class brothers.
“No one knows that phrase but hipsters.”
Hey, dipshit…
I guess Honda’s Australian marketing division is now run by hipsters cause they clearly know the term.
Check 01:19 in the above.
ED GO FUCK YOURSELF
I HOPE ONE DAY SOMEBODY SMASHES YOU ON YOUR HEAD WITH YOUR CAMERA
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
^ ALL THOSE YEARS SUCKED BECAUSE OF TRENDY PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU
GO THE FUCK BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM
NATIVE NEW YORKERS HATE YOUR FUCKING GUTS
YOU ARE A TRANSPLANT PIECE OF SHIT
Finally, some sanity on this page.
I grew up in the upper east side in manhattan in nyc. I have been here since 1981. and we are all transplants except the native americans. so go fuck yourself you self loathing hipster. take your negative energy and put it into art.
$10 dollars for a bar of chocolate is expensive.
Yeah, I can afford to buy a $10 bar of chocolate and I can get a lot of varieties of a chocolate bar for a less at other stores.
These proprietors have a tough niche to fill.
IMO these proprietors are at a disadvantage already, $10 for a bar sounds like a chocolate ‘hobby’ to me.
But as a ‘knuckle dragger’ who what do I know? I’m going to assume they did some quick and dirty market research to see if they can fill a ‘chocolate niche’.
Maybe this person will fail as most new businesses do, but, maybe this person will do enough business to reduce his costs and pass on the savings to his customers and prosper. You gotta start somewhere right?
Good luck to them and please price your product accordingly.
hey Skip – I just went to Mast Brothers – it’s $7 a bar or 3 for $20. That’s just their online system. I also found out that cigerettes are $13 a pack nowadays. Do yourself a favor – look up other artisan chocolate products. http://www.amazon.com/Beatrice-Bakery-Inc-CoffeeCakes-Chocolate/dp/B002ZUQ1TC. Wow $28 for a bunch of choocolate squares?
Ghirardelli Chocolate Intense Dark Chocolate Bars, 86% Cacao Midnight Reverie, 3.17 oz.: Amazon.com: Grocery & Gourmet Food
Ghirardelli’s stuff is $4 a bar. Theirs is $7 a bar. is that so crazy?
OK you convinced me, I will sing to the tune of the yups. From now on I am going to buy all of my chocolate from the Masturbation Bros.’ artisanal gourmet organic sustainable handmade workshop in Ye Olde Williamsburg, located next to the Bruekelen Channel (formerly known as the East River). Thank you for opening my eyes to the brilliance that is the gentrified-Brooklyn hipster-yuppie lifestyle.
Bill or other hipster haters, I want to meet you and I care what you think because people who have good stories to tell are always interesting. I’d like to hear some of your stories and perhaps make some in a short video for the web. Maybe we can get to the root of why young kids choose this hipster lifestyle and help make it “uncool”
Ed’s not a good hipster, but since they are a dime a dozen I can find some pure hipsters that you, the hipster hater, can sort of do a “Working Class Eye for the Hipster Guy” make-over in the life of a hipster.
Perhaps you can come over to our place and have sort of a sit down Israeli-Palestinian type of dinner with Ed or you can go to one of the old restaurants that is the “culture” you wish to preserve. Sound interesting?
My gravest concern in casting the hipster hater is that I suspect the antagonist voices on this website are actually some category of hipster because what working class, “trying to feed his family”, Brooklynite spends a saturday morning blog posting about hipsters, really? C’mon
I’m absolutely serious about making a video about hipster hating, if Bill or anyone who wants to be on camera. We’ll do it. Just get ahold of Ed with your contact info.
Lee Jones is a piece of hypocritical piece of shit artist pretending to be cool – but he’s also the only one of you that can form a complete sentence. I love the guy – I want him in my short doc on diehipster.com
Lee contact me – ed at kittyguerrilla.com
I also want diehipster and Bill on there but Bill I have no idea where you live.
Let me know if you’re interested. I think it’s going to be a good piece.
Ed, I sent you a serious email. I’d appreciate a serious response.
Here’s what I have learned from you guys and most importantly you have learned from me.
1. Mast Brothers chocolate is actually $7 a bar. 3 for $20. Cigerettes in NYC cost about $13. Everything in NYC is expensive. Everything. Even McDonalds. Most of you guys don’t live here or don’t live here anymore so you have this idea of NYC as a place where deals can still be gotten.
2. Everyone is transplant. Everyone except Native Americans. So we shouldn’t have to talk about one group of people claiming ownership on a property.
3. Transplant businesses should make it a point to hire local workers. But also remember that they are employing people, nethertheless. And with the economy the way it is, that’s a good thing.
4. The Mast Brothers are an example of good hipsters. They are doing something – they are making a good in Brooklyn. Whether or not you agree with it, and I doubt many of you have even tried it, you have to admit that they are making something.
5. No one likes to be called rascist, anti-semetic and hateful comments. It’s not fun. I don’t personally mind that much but it can be disarming.
6. Hipsters, as of the current definition, good-for-nothing trust fund kids who pretend to artists, are definitely annoying. And it’s easy to make fun of them. They are sucky people. But there are lots of sucky people in the world.
7. I should read your comments more. It’s hard sometimes – there are a lot of comments.
8. The anonymity of this blog is highly addicting and allows people to really say whatever they want.
9. You guys picked the wrong battle by attacking Mast Brothers. It’s exactly as I saw it – you wouldn’t be able to see past the beards and your perception of their outrageous pricing of $7 for a chocolate bar. Remember, they are paying a living wage and they use real chocolate and they don’t mass produce.
10. None of you guys are working-class. Everyone here is educated and I doubt than any of you are blue collar. So let’s stop pretending to be. I never said I was a man for the people. I am more a man against the extreme greed of America. And I see that the effect of it is the production of hipsters. With Mommy and Daddy not forcing son and daughter to get a job, they can become annoying hipsters.
11. Hipsters are only the tip of your grievences. What you are really mad about but don’t really admit to yourself that you’re mad about it is the globalization of the world and the loss of cool interesting small stores and industry in NYC. Domino factory didn’t close because hipsters wanted to live there – it closed because it’s cheaper to make the goods somewhere else.
12. None of you are women. Which is kind of bizarre. Well I guess it makes sense. Men have a hard time dealing with their emotions. And a forum like this lets them release it.
13. Lee Jones is the most reasonable and articulate one out of all of you. You should learn from how he does things.
14. You hate me because you think I’m a hipster but in all reality I am just like all of you – I am a hard-working youngster so of course I’m on the defensive when you attack me.
15. Everyone in life is full of shit. Everyone. Even Ghandi. No one knows anything about anything. And that’s why I love this world and I love each and every one of you.
“13. Lee Jones is the most reasonable and articulate one out of all of you. You should learn from how he does things.”
No, I’m just scum with a brain. But thanks, I guess.
I’ve never been a fan of blind rage, which I certainly see a lot of here. But I know exactly what the anger is being directed and about 95% of it is justified.
This got me thinking: “10. None of you guys are working-class. Everyone here is educated and I doubt than any of you are blue collar. So let’s stop pretending to be.”
So what are all of us hipster haters? Where do we live? What do we do? How did we become aware of the hipster problem? I think that could be an interesting [and important] thread.
I comment here sometimes. I was born here and I’ve lived here 35 years. Globalization is indeed the real issue at hand. The hipster flyovers who pay too much for rat-hole apartments and in turn jack up everyone else’s rent are just a symptom of that. They just make it easy to hate them with their phony cool, holier than thou attitudes and fratboy mentalities. And no I don’t hate foreigners. In fact I prefer to live amongst them – here in Washington Heights or back in Queens where I’m from. I like living around hard-working, unpretentious people who could care less what music you listen to or what your fucking carbon footprint looks like – like my Dominican neighbors. I barely speak Spanish and yet I’m friendly with just about everyone in the building – everyone except the heyseed white folks who tend to move in with one foot out the door already and don’t really care to meet their neighbors, probably out of fear of getting robbed or something…
I work blue-collar jobs (freelance construction, set building or whatever else I can get) while having my eyes on one day making a living writing or behind a video editing console, since my back’s fucked up and it isn’t getting better humping wood and steel all day. I didn’t finish college because I had to get out on my own and pay bills at an early age.
No, I wouldn’t spend 7$ for a piece of chocolate but hey props to those guys selling it. There’s a sucker born every minute.
Oh and if you follow my links, it’s easy to figure out who I am. I don’t hide from anyone.
“10. None of you guys are working-class. Everyone here is educated and I doubt than any of you are blue collar. So let’s stop pretending to be. I never said I was a man for the people. I am more a man against the extreme greed of America. And I see that the effect of it is the production of hipsters. With Mommy and Daddy not forcing son and daughter to get a job, they can become annoying hipsters.”
I’m a union heavy construction worker. And I hate fucking hipsters.
Now get your bearded, pussified, lumberjack on estrogen ass the fuck out of here.
16. http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/census/pop2000.shtml
“Immigration played a crucial role in the population increase over the decade, with nearly 1.2 million immigrants admitted to New York City in the 1990s. This high level of immigration has, to a large extent, countered a substantial net outflow of residents to other parts of the nation. At the same time, a high level of births in the 1990s and fewer deaths, added substantial numbers to the population. With more than 1.266 million births and 682,000 deaths, the level of natural increase totaled 584,000. The increasing share of immigrants in the city, who tend to be younger on average than other residents, is largely responsible for the high level of natural increase.”
Oh shoot – its the immigrants who are driving up rent and forcing the hipsters on you!! And also people living longer. Let’s change the name of this to “dieimmigrant. ” Oh wait, I think the domain was already taken in Arizona. Okay let’s go back to hating hipsters!
Umm, we destroyed that “Parentally-subsidized flyover state suburban hipster-yuppie transplants = Ellis Island’s huddled impoverished immigrant masses” argument about 100x already on this site. But being though I’m in a good mood today, I’ll paraphrase it for you one more time:
Parentally-subsidized flyover state suburban hipster-yuppie transplants and Ellis Island’s huddled impoverished immigrant masses are not the same.
Hope that helps, you bland cultureless fucking two-dimensional yupster twerp. Now get back to that drawing board and try again.
keep destroying it. Immigrants have so much cred – they struggled so hard! I love those Ellis Island immigrants. My grandparents on my mother’s side were all killed in the Holocaust. True story. Wow, they were so cool that they died such violent and horrible deaths! Suffering for no reason is truly awesome.
Your great grand parents died poor for you so you could have a chance – so you wouldn’t wake up starving. Now to get mad at these hipsters – yes it’s easy – but they little annoying fuckers are free. They have no responsibilities. They can float and sail and do whatever they want. Isn’t that what we all want in the end for our children? For them to have the freedom to do a shoot in LA and put a wet paint sign on some wet paint and say hello to the kitchen staff at a hotel. And then to fly to India the next week? Isn’t that amazing?
Peter Luger charges $216 for 4 USDA PRIME Dry aged Strip Steaks (averaging 24-26oz. each) plus shipping!! And they are on the Southside of Williamsburg – which is a really, really poor neighborhood. No working class man can afford those prices – he’s making $7.25 with minimum wage.
So they are overpriced and therefore something to be ridiculed!
Oh wait, they have been there for 100-plus years and they are Italian. They must have at one point moved here from Italy or had realitives who have. So they are transplants. And they higher probably Italians. Still they are okay. They are full of culture because they don’t have beards and come from the midwest. Diehipster approves 100% of Peter Luger.
But what a second, what about the Mast Brothers? They look like hipsters!!!
Show me a normal person who eats Peter Luger’s every day the way you neckbearded mutants eat and drink your grossly overpriced pseudo-premium crap, you fucking bumpkin. Go back to the drawing board and come up with a new one.
not your brightest moment, park slope. Don’t you wish there was a delete button the internet. Maybe that’s why I’m the only one that’s stupid enough to not only post my real name but my website so I can be easily identified. Forever the world will know what I posted on this thread. Wow, am I really the only one with balls on this site?
Also guys I’m really Steve. How’s it going, Robert? Love ya.
haha park slope I knew you would defend peter lugers!
oh yea coming from ellis island and coming from an airplane is so much different. how about that nyc is growing via the immigrants coming here? do they not count. park slope….did you ever take a debate class? cause your logic is flawed. you seriously went 0 for 2 in this round. also why do u have to end your argument with insulting me with your cliched “bumpkin scum” line? did you notice that you stopped calling me a hipster?
My point wasn’t that the logistics of how they got here were different, it was that immigrants’ reasons for coming here are.. Oh, fucking never mind. You just reminded me why arguing with a yupster faux-hemian is such a waste of time and energy.
And then you claim that the immigrants are the reason why rent increased in NYC, yet you conveniently ignore the fact that a) immigrants have always been coming to NYC yet their arrival never increased rent before; and b) all of the most expensive gentrified neighborhoods are virtually devoid of immigrant residents yet teeming with only the whitest and most ethnically bland yupster transplants. But yeah, I’M the one whose “logic” is “flawed”.. right. LOL
Hello “Ed”. Your writing and juvenile arguments really aren’t as good as you think. In sophistry 101 you’d get a ‘C’.
That analogy about hipsters=Ellis Island immigrants is complete and absolute rubbish. My grandparents who came through Ellis in 1905 were poor (no mom and dad back home cutting checks), couldn’t speak much english and wound up living in an ethnic ghetto and not by choice. They didn’t come here to be *cool*, *hip* edgy and urban. they came here to make a better life for themselves and their children. They lived with real racism and in by today’s standards, in appaling conditions until they saved enough to buy a house in Queens. There was no social safety nets, no welfare to fall back on so you either sank or swam.
Now, let’s compare and contrast that with modern hipsters who move here just to be seen as cool and part of a trendy scene. Obnoxious, self-centered people who really contribute nothing and achieve nothing. Boorish people who wouldn’t be able to afford to live here a week if not for a trust fund. Your kind see Brooklyn as some sort of theme park where they come to slum. Pretending to be working class and contributing something to the community. BULLSHIT. It’s all a big pose. You deserve absolutely no credit or praise for your attention seeking antics.
Face it, none of you are talented, creative or even very bright.
However meager or humble the achievements of those who passed through Ellis Island, their accomplishments far surpass you and every hipster on earth. You and the rest of your degraded ilk are unfit to lick their boots let alone invoke their memory.
So stop trying to play victim with this assinine comparison.
Oh yes, and some of us are really native born and working class. And literate! Ah, the nerve of me, a humble prole, with the temerity not to live down to your moronic stereotype of us, booting your wretched ass from off the heights of Olympus.
Not everyone is a fraud like you.
And there are some hipsters who just want to find a cheap place to live in NYC but still be close to their friends and have the ability to get a girl to come home to them – it becomes Brooklyn or Queens. Brooklyn is more convenient and has better bars and more of the same type of people. So they go there. Not for the chance to ruin a beautiful Polish neighborhood with excellent perogis. Except they don’t ruin it for Mr Landlord or Mr. Laundrymat or Mr. Bodega. They keep clean and quiet and they go about their business. They make a point to check out neighborhood events and even become friends with their neighbors. They assimilate. Just like everyone else. Thanks for the C-. That’s nice of you.
Proles are the ones who will save us. Except when they obsess over the black friday sales at Best Buy. The poor only want one thing – to get rich – and the rich only want one thing – to get richer. Anyone who goes against this grain has a brain and posts on diehipster.com
lee…everyones anger on this board comes from feeling like you don’t have a voice. you are watching your neighborhoods and worlds change and you don’t like it and yet you are powerless. its scary to admit.
hey park slope….you end your thought with lol…so you must be another youngster. anyway immigration is part of it…increased lifespan is the other. your friends grandmother is now living another 20 years and she’s not leaving her upper east side rent controlled aparrment…so less space for the hipsters and thus increase in rent. nyc went up from 7 million to 8 million ten years ago. I’m going to guess its at 9 million now. that’s a lot of people looking for rent. here’s the deal…you kill the old people and ill get the hipsters to move back into manhattan so that your brooklyn home will be free of them!
The Upper East Side could be full of empty apartments renting for $400 a month and the yupster transplants still wouldn’t live there, because it was never anointed as trendy by their yupster Pied Pipers. So there goes that theory. Not to mention, there are still PLENTY of neighborhoods where rent is more than reasonable in New York City. You can still get a two-bedroom in Bensonhurst for less than a studio in Shit Slope. So if your theory were in fact true, the rent increase would have affected the entire city. On the contrary, it has only affected those neighborhoods that the yupsters have their retarded sights set on. So it looks like your argument is pretty much bunk.
Seriously now, do you even think before you type this stuff? Because it sure as hell doesn’t seem like it.
no I don’t think Park Slope. Good call. Where’s Bensonhurst? I only move to places I know are decent. It’s like I won’t go to a movie unless someone recommends it to me. I guess that’s because I’m too busy to research the stuff. it’s easier that way.
also park slope…i raised the immigration issue to show that you guys are treading on bigoted grounds. what if you were actually poor andliving in staten island and seeing that all these immigrants are “ruining” your neighborhood – wouldn’t that make you a bigot? now switch out poor with middle class and immigrants with hipsters – that’s fine and hilarious!!! its so great that you guys need a videographer to come here to teach you how to become a peaceful member of society. also I love the anti sementism that’s floating around this board. its reminds me of 1939 Germany where attitudes were so bad they started the genocide of 3 million people.
Yeah but again there’s one slight problem with your little analogy: immigrants who come here without much to make better lives for themselves and parentally-subsidized suburban-bred flyover state hipster-yuppie mutants who flock here for the stupidest and most superficial reasons are fundamentally different groups of people. In fact, you could not come up with two more dissimilar groups of people if you tried. So for you to come in here with your ‘brilliant’ comparison of discriminating against someone’s national origin versus discriminating against someone for being an asshole, well, you can see why your argument is pretty darned stupid.
And as for your anti-semitism accusation, considering how much of pre-gentrification Brooklyn was Jewish before the mutants rolled in, I don’t even see how that’s worth addressing.
And finally, the day a yupster-defending self-proclaimed “videographer” teaches me anything outside of serving as an example of how NOT to be a productive member of society, I will jump off the Brooklyn Bridge. You are a faux-hemian mutant who has nothing worthwhile to say, just like all your beloved yupster brethren. I hope your parents’ dough holds out long enough so that taxpayers like me don’t wind up footing the bill for your Medicare. You are all worthless.
Mutant. Park Slope do you read Xmen way too much? Anyway bigotry is bigotry. Whether against immigrants or hipsters – it’s wrong. It’s hateful. You shouldn’t hate other human beings unless they killed your family. Which maybe they did. I’m sorry Park Slope for bringing this up.
Bill you got laid off from your job because your big corporations don’t care about you and because they have no heart. I’m sorry to hear that. my dad recently got laid off even though he created the database system at the huge firm he worked. my sister is underemployed. things are really bad right now and its easy to blame the hipster and gentrification for your rent going up but these are real serious global issues you have to deal with. greed has gotte out of control in america. its time to start regulating these businesses like how they do in europe. oh sorry…im starting to spout bs again! let’s talk more about hipsters. sychenefreunden is so relaxing and takes the pain away.
“greed has gotte out of control in america.”
Yup. And to me, there’s no better example of the ugly side of greed and selfishness than a bunch of spoiled, idle, privileged, unemployed upper-middle-class brats who arbitrarily chose a once-thriving working class area to turn into their own personal suburban-inspired yuppie playground while real working people are just trying to live their lives in peace. If corporations symbolize greed, then you leisure class hipster-yuppie transplants symbolize its sewage byproduct.
Thank you!!! We agree. Hipsters and nonhipster white folks move to Brooklyn cause other white people are there and it’s cheaper than Manhattan in terms of rent. Some move cause it’s cool and others like me just want a cheap place to live that’s more quiet than Manhattan. I moved to Manhattan for work reasons – I got a job at CBS right after college.
Which is of course not to say what I did was in the end socially responsible. Moving to Williamsburg displaced some of the poorer residents – I am part of the problem.
but in the end, what else should I do – move into a 2000 a month place in Manhattan and have to take loans from my parents to do it. That was 2003. In 2006 my dad lost his well-paying job. If for instance I did move into a place I couldn’t afford – well that would have sucked for my family.
Anyway I think we should all start going to town-hall meetings instead of wasting time on this board. I think I will if I can find a second. Notice the hours that I post on this board.
bill what kind of work do you do? maybe I can help in some way? email me.
Are you’re still here? Fuck, you’ve actually been posting here defending yupster scum for 24 hours straight? Don’t you have a sailboat to float away somewhere to?
Who’s “laid off”? I live nicely and don’t have to justify my career to you like all you underemployed fakes feel the need to do on a continuing basis. And yes, 2 subsidized transplanted mutants who look like Amish with down syndrome selling overpriced, pretentious $10 candy bars in a working class neighborhood under the guise of “olde tyme” tradition is an insult and a huge part of the problem.
But you’re not from here, so all this snarky, condescending and dismissive bullshit coming from you is not based on your life experience in Brooklyn or even your interaction with its generation working class, immigrants or poor families who make up a large part of the neighborhood. Your pompous attitude and defense of this bullshit displays perfectly why self-righteous, callous scum like you is despised.
So, your dad got laid off and your sister is unemployed? What are you gonna do now, Eddy? Is your sister lazy or something? Dad couldn’t cut it at work? Maybe you should hook them with a job as production assistants for your next video on that olde tyme $9 lollipop shoppe that’s opening up in Bushwick.
hahaha Bill – way to attack my fictional family. Especially after I offer to help you find work after you lost your job after 20 years. Or was that another fantasy post?
when I was in china a few years ago I went into a market. here they had in one booth deep in the corner ducks in a cage. they were killing them right there. ill never forget that the ducks were fighting each other. they were snapping their beaks at each other and I think they had to be conscious of their imminent demise. funny how similar you guys are.
Not sure what that’s supposed to mean, but I own my property and from what I understand so do several other commentators on here. So you freaks aren’t pushing me out of anywhere unless I CHOOSE to leave–”imminent demise” my ass. Sorry to rain on your little power fantasy though.
haha so Park Slope you own your property. Are you a landlord? I’m sure you are and have no qualms about charging 3000 a month for a 2 bedroom in Park Grope to a greasy-eyed hipster who talks like a surfer but goes to art shows featuring Campbell Soup and vaginal secretiations.
Ed, the issue with comparing hipsters to immigrants is that, unlike hipsters, immigrants tend to be poor and actually want to work, not just sit around making “art” and going to each others houses for “shows.”
I, like so many Americans, have my roots in Europe (Poland, specifically) and I know for damn sure that when my grandparents (and great grandparents) moved here, they worked day and night to be able to share a 3 room apartment with 5 other people.
They saved money and eventually were able to purchase a home. That’s all they wanted in life, security and stability. Something they couldn’t get in turn of the century Europe.
Now the neighborhoods my grandparents grew up in are two of the most popular neighborhoods in the whole city (I’m not in NYC, so you know). In the last 5 years, literally every single building on the block where my [now dead] grandmother’s house stands has been “gentrified.”
A corner bar, which had been open since the depression, was closed by “the neighborhood commission,” even though 90% of the people on said “commission” had lived there for under 5 years. The real residents had no voice.
But hey! The same “neighborhood commission” immediately OKed the opening of a trendy coffee shop/occasional “performance” space just a block away. And an ironic “retro style” diner, while a restaurant which has been open since the 1950s might soon have to close its doors.
I guess on the plus side, they gutted a 20 year closed historic Church and turned it into “sophisticated living spaces/studios.”
Returning to the original discussion, so how does having a place like The Mast Bros help us?
Well, the chocolate is “locally made,” OK, that’s a plus. But do they have a factory employing dozens, hell, even a couple LOCALS? No, they do it all themselves, which is all well and good, but then there’s really nothing being stimulated but THEIR incomes.
But still, no one is being forced to go there, especially since it’s so expensive, right?
Counterpoint: Most local small businesses do not make their own products. Just like any chain grocery store. a local grocer/deli buys from wholesalers. Let’s not pretend that every corner deli is making their own meats and cheeses. Hell, they rarely even make their own salads.
Anyway, the point is that if everyone shops at a local small grocer and buys their cheese there, then suddenly some other ironic boat loving hipsters come in with a brilliant idea they got while on a PBR binge, “hey, let’s start making cheese! It’ll be so ironic, we can pretend we’re like on 17th century France, but, like, with cell phones and macbooks.”
So, 6 months later, and with a $50,000 startup fund from Ye Olde Parents in Mass., they open Brooklyn’s first mostly organic and all overpriced post-modern cheese and art shop.
Even though they only offer 2 varieties at $55.00 a pound (you know, you’re paying for quality), all the local hipster and yuppie scum flocks there to feel like their “part of the community.”
Then the guy at the local grocer is just SOL, cause his old customers have moved away and, even though he has 20 varieties of cheese at $6 a pound, no one cares cause it’s not “locally made” and “organic.”
I know that my example is a bit of a stretch, but I think it makes a pretty important point.
Just because something is “made locally” doesn’t mean it’s actually stimulating the local economy or helping local businesses survive.
^^ I use “local” too much. Jesus.
Hey guys, I took the day off yesterday and went to my Coney for some beers and other spiritual rejuvination. Sorry I missed all the fireworks…Here are my notes:
Global economy/ inefficient taxation? Duh….no shit sherlock. NYC has ALWAYS felt the flux of capitalist markets. SO FUCKING WHAT? ITS NOT an excuse for this wholesale bullshit YOU SHITHEELS do. And, for somebody who interested in economics, WHY ARE YOU SO NAIEVE WHEN IT COMES TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY OF BROOKLYN. You can’t just blame this on the landlords. The landlords CAN charge high rents BECAUSE THERE ARE ALWAYS GREEDY FUCKERS LIKE YOU WHO WILL PAY THEM.
Your hands are certainly not clean. You have every privilege yet YOU participate in this hideous, disgusting bullshit. Why do you never address the point my man Rabbi Buddy made, that YOU MOVE INTO POOR PEOPLE’S NEIGHBORHOODS BY CHOICE. WHY? You can certainly afford to live anywhere, but no…you gotta go into the ghetto…Are you that fucking greedy or stupid not to question what happens to the poor people that were there before you?
Its clear to me you have NO UNDERSTANDING of what it means to be poor in NYC. You have had no contact with these communities whatsoever. These people are some of the most vulnerable people in NYC, they are DISABLED, ELDERLY, ILLITERATE, UNEDUCATED and also new immigrants that don’t have the language skills yet, etc just trying to start their lives. And yes, most jobs in NYC are now minimum wage service jobs. We’ve got ~10% unemployment in NYC now. And your answer: In light of all of this, displacing poor people is OK, after all its just the global economy…HOW ASTOUNDINGLY CALLOUS. GE may be a piece of the puzzle…but it is by no means a justification for WHAT YOU ARE DOING. ARE YOU SO DESPERATE TO BE COOL THAT YOU WILL FUCK these people over? YES YOU ARE.
See you wanna have this pseudo-feel good, socially conscious persona, but that only applies to YOU AND YOURS. You could care less about anyone else. WANNA CHANGE IT? STOP BEING A COLONIZING SHITHEEL. YOU END IT NOW WHEN YOU STOP CONSUMING THE PRODUCT.
And this brings me to the next troubling point you make. You seem to justify this displacement, by saying these people deserved it because they were criminals and that somehow you make the neighborhood better. You missed the step where you explain *how* you gentrifying shitheels made the neighborhood better and the crime go down…BY YOUR MERE PRESENCE IN MY NEIGHBOROOD.
See the problem is you came into this whole thing in the 3rd reel and now wanna talk like you know something. How long have you actually lived in Brooklyn? I you sound like you moved here after 2000 and then only to some gentrified part of Brooklyn at that. Sure we had crime. We still got crime, but its NOT AN EXCUSE TO use revanchistic public policies like a giant bulldozer against Poor and POC communities: stop and frisk, police brutality and economic displacement of poor people so LLs adn big RE can get $$$ and you shitheels can have a 5 year urban fantasy frolic.
Ever hear of these dudes: ABNER LOIMA, AMADOU DIALLO, PATRICK DORISOND, DANTE JOHNSON? or THE RAID ON MALCOM X’S MOSQUE? Why not look into “Police Strategy No. 5” ? These are people who died behind the State’s sweep and clear on behalf of you shitheels…. To make you FEEL safer and pave the way for gentrification. But again, you never question *how* as long as you get to play in Disneyland…..Gentrification came at the expense of a lot of unjustly incarcerated, murdered and brutalized minority people.
You wanna talk shit about how NYC doesn’t belong to anyone….well let me first say this: I AM NATIVE AMERICAN. My peoples are YAQUI from Mexico. NOW GET THE FUCK OUT cuz its YOU who is talking like everything belongs to you….not the other way around. You are so wrapped up in your bullshit you can’t even hear what these people are saying. When you come here and displace families that have been here for generations, when you displace the elderly and poor and sick that are just barely hanging on…
YOU DO THIS WITHOUT A FUCKING CARE…YOU DO THIS BECAUSE YOU FELL INADEQUATE and LIVING IN BROOKLYN MAKES YOU FEEL COOL…..YOU ARE THE SPOILER…YOU THE COLONIZER…YOU ARE THE MOST BACKWARD DISGUSTING SOCIAL DARWINIST…GOOD GOD!!!!!!!!!
“If the “beardos” can make a living doing it or spend their inheritance on it, why should I care? Let them pursue their happiness”
See that’s some faulty shitheel logic. Its not as simple as that. They are perpetuating the shitheel colonization of Brooklyn. They are exploiting Brooklyn to sell their turdo-cacca bars. Plus they’re maketing is just hype. If the turdo-choco-cacca-bar brothers were so fucking socially conscious, WHY be part of an economy based on wholesale disenfranchisement of poor people. Your awareness and altrusim begins and ends with white shitheels. FUCK YOU.
“I suggest a creative reconciliation. Can Ed shoot a piece on some of the people who love hating hipsters? Volunteers? Ed and please let’s stop this bullshit about their 8 dollar chocolate bar being too much when cigerettes cost 11 a pack and a lot of working class americans can afford that.”
YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU ARE A HO. Are you people really this fucking callous? Stupid? Unaware? Retarded? Yes there is a horrible perhaps the largest shift in wealth…leaving people in NYC desparate, the gentrification of Brooklyn crystalizes this…yet *your* answer is a diehpster docu?????? FUCK YOU HIPSTER SHITHEEL FUCKING COOL OBSESSED CONSTIPATED SNAGGLTOOTHED HO BASTARD.
“oh yea Bill nothing like white rich hipsters to take out culture. Because we don’t support art like BAM or go to the parks or go to Polish restaurants and the sort.”
Actually, BAM went seriously downhill since the shitheels moved to Brooklyn. Also, since the 4th of July there has been a racist campaign against Latino’s in Prospect Park.
“Their parents, which are growing richer and richer in comparision to the middle class and the poor, have too much money and as a result their kids can be lazy and drift thru life. End this. “
NO BITCH YOU END THIS. Stop perpetuating it. DONATE YOUR MONEY TO THE POOR. MAKE DOCUMENTARIES ABOUT THE PROBLEM. MOVE OUT OF BROOKLYN. STOP CONSUMING THE SHITHEEL FANTASY.
Hey, Mister Guerrilla Film Maker a.k.a. Yuppie Shithead,
How come you’re sooooooooo anti-establishment and anti-capitalism yet you make commercials for
HARVARD BUSINESS SCHOOL???????
http://www.kittyguerrilla.com/HBS/
BIGGEST FUCKING YUP BREEDING GROUND ON THE PLANET!!!!!
FUCK YOU!!!
MAKE DOCUMENTARIES ABOUT THE PROBLEM
that’s exactly what they wan to do!
and you should be a part of it.
josh now we are getting somwwhere. a bigger issue…colonization by the white folk and a political system that allows this. you are right on all points. now let’s work on a solution.
SHUT THE FUCK UP STEVE LAME!!!
Im already on it. I’ve been on it for over 45 years you dumb ass fuck face. It does no good whatsoever as long as there are greedy fuckfaces like YOU.
And in all my years I’ve seen stupid ass wanna be white boys just like you talking shit until your $$$$ gets threatened. I’ve seen your shit talking hippie fuck parents scared shitless that they were going to Nam…ONLY THEN did they even question that war or become politically active. ONLY WHEN IT WAS THEIR ASS. Funny how AFTER Nam was over, they could give a fuck about anything and they raised you to be the same way.
How bout it, WHY DO YOU CHOOSE TO MOVE TO THE GHETTO? YOU KNOW YOU’RE DISPLACING THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN NYC. YET YOU COULD GIVE A FUCK….WHY????
HOW DID YOU BECOME SO FUCKING GREEDY, CALLOUS and OUT OF IT????
Josh you are only 21. Please don’t play make-believe. Only I can. -Steve
actually josh if you lower your anger you will see I’m fighting for the same cause. I moved to williamsburg after college in 2003 cause that’s all I could afford. I didn’t want my parents to subsidize me….i wanted to be fully independent. I wanted quiet. I didn’t want to live in manhattan. now I stay were I am because i don’t feel like paying 2000 a month on rent. I don’t think anyone should. and I’m sure 99 percent of people out there feel the same way. I feel bad that I’m displacing poor families. but not too bad because I don’t really see the effect. they just buck it up and continue to get treated like shit. and the truth is that 99 percent of the other white colonizers of brooklyn are the same way.
joshs post was the most powerful post on here. pure anger and eloquence fueled by that hopeless feeling you get when you are aware of how the world really is. that its a cold horrible place. no one cares about the poor and the meek – they aren’t inherieting the earth…they are getting crushed day in and day out. by people as innocent as me. isn’t that something? I didn’t even know and yet do u know how hard it is to show someone that they are in the wrong? nearly impossible. and that’s how the american greed works. you brainwash the kids in elementary school to be consumers and when they grow up they spit on those who clean their puke off the street.
You know what bitch, stop calling me JOSH, I KILLED JOSH.
Funny how you NEVER, EVER answer the question.
You are still way off base. Its funny how you always wanna blame the government or “GLOBAL ECONOMY” as if they were some far off entities unto themselves WHEN ACTUALLY THEY ARE RUN BY AND FOR SHITHEELS LIKE YOU. TO ENSURE YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT. THEY ARE YOUR PARENTS. THEY PAY FOR YOUR LIFESTYLE. THEY EXIST BECAUSE YOU CANNOT HELP YOURSELF FROM BEING A GREEDY CALLOUS FUCK.
Your entire argument is a fucking cop out when you fail to take responsibility for YOUR ROLE IN THIS.
WHY ARE YOU AFRAID TO ANSWER THE QUESTION?
I’LL REPEAT IT: YOU SHITHEELS CAN LIVE ANYWHERE…SO WHY DO YOU CHOSE TO MOVE TO THE GHETTO? I’VE MADE YOU AWARE OF THE HUMAN COST OF YOUR CHOICE SO WHY NOT JUST STOP?
STILL WAITING………….
See YOU WILL NEVER ANSWER THE QUESTION:
” now I stay were I am because i don’t feel like paying 2000 a month on rent. I don’t think anyone should. and I’m sure 99 percent of people out there feel the same way. I feel bad that I’m displacing poor families. but not too bad because I don’t really see the effect. they just buck it up and continue to get treated like shit. and the truth is that 99 percent of the other white colonizers of brooklyn are the same way…”
SO WHY NOT JUST STOP?
Its easier for you to carry around a canvas bag or grow a roof top garden THAN GIVE THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY ONE INCH BREATHING ROOM.
Don’t come on here whining about the government….WHEN ITS YOU.
“now I stay were I am because i don’t feel like paying 2000 a month on rent. ” “I don’t think anyone should…”
I think that’s a lie. Cuz if you’re a rich white fuck like you say you are, YOU HAVE MONEY….Face it, you moved to WB to be cool. Cuz deep down inside you feel like an inadequate shitface. Which is probably right on target.
Plus, you think rents are too high in general SO YOU DISPLACE THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN NYC AND PAY DOUBLE WHAT THEY PAID????? (net effect destroy half the affordable housing stock in Brooklyn)
That’s some egg-salad brained retard thinking…..
“…but not too bad because I don’t really see the effect. they just buck it up and continue to get treated like shit.”
Of course you don’t when you live in a gold fish bowl. If you’re all that why not do a docu about it…GO SEE THE EFFECTS FOR YOURSELF. but, then again you don’t give a fuck, your forte is shit talking on the internet…YOU PROBABLY FEEL TOOO GUILTY TO DO THIS.
And, I wouldn’t make any assumptions about what those people you fucked over are doing. As someone who has been working with those poor people for years, who has participated in and witnessed several riots, I can say, don’t talk shit cuz when they do decide to go off it won’t be pretty for YOU, Sebastian.
So now we have it, you are a STUPID lemming fuckface ho that wants to play revolutionary on the internet, but in real life could give a fuck about poor people.
As always, you wanna pay lip service to ease your guilt but are in no way whatsoever prepared to compromise or sacrifiice ANYTHING.
YOU ARE A HO.
STUPID FUCKING HO.
Here, why not get your revolutionary ninja outfit on and go throw rocks and the new condos in WB. I guarantee its 100% safe for you. Then you can post how fucking cool you are and daddy will protect you.
I meant immiment demise in that the environment is going to fail us and there will be massive death in between 10 to 20 years. but don’t worry the rich white people including the hipsters will survive because life sucks.
to lee and everyone else…is peter lugers good for the local puerto rican neighborhood they are in? no its not. but there’s no way you can tell me its bad. peter lugers destroys any credibility of your argument. overpriced steaks. non puerto rican workers (they are mostly italian). for everyone to know mast bros hires a staff of about 20 people in their factory and get this they do hire some locals. its not all locals. but anyway you guys lost that argument. they are a real business. 7 dollars a bar is nothing when you go to the bodega and get cigs for 13 dollars. they use rea ingredients and are opening the chocolate palette. so you lose. sorry. doesn’t it suck to lose at a debate. however josh is still good to attack where I come from and all the middle class people on here for not doing anything. read paul krugmans editorial today in the nytimes. you should all become politically active. oh wait you don’t vote cause the system is corrupt and you don’t go to town hall meetings cause you’re too busy. nevermind. let the rich continue to destroy you and your culture. who here has been to one townhall meeting? anyone? anyone?
I notice you can’t comment on any other absolutely ridiculous hipster shennanigans I post on here. Only on the ridiculous Mast Bros. which you are connected to.
You are such a clueless transplant. No city experience what so ever. You just copy and paste statistics off of websites from years ago. Like a true nasalbot.
Peter Lugers? Been around for a hundred years. It has seen all kinds of immigrants use the neighborhood over those years and seems to be a great steak house and business that knows how to last the test of time. Fucking business men from Manhattan cab there for lunch and dinner. That’s just some of their clientele. As for $13 cigarettes. You think the grocery stores are scheming together to make those high prices? It’s mostly city taxes that make up that price you fucking fool. Now go back to filming Ye Olde cultured red beards who only cater to other transplants.
Look up the history of Peter Luger’s. It didn’t spring up in a poor Puerto Rican neighborhood. When it opened over 100 years ago (as a billiard, cafe, and bowling alley) the neighborhood was mostly German and not poor. So it did service the community it was located in. The community became poor around the restaurant, yet the quality was so well known it was able to remain open mostly due to patronization from former residents of the area and visitors drawn in through word of mouth. The business did not open in a neighborhood in which its prices were unreasonable. It catered to locals. It just managed to survive the change of the neighborhood around it because the business was that successful. The difference with the Mast brothers (or any other overpriced hipster frequented boutique) is that it opened in a neighborhood in which it is already unaffordable to the current native residents. Also, the expensive portions are huge (enough that you bring leftovers home and have a second meal). And they absolutely hire Puerto Rican waitstaff, busboys, etc. The reason why it’s predominantly Italian is because it’s family owned and operated and therefor they hire family and friends of family. Have you ever been inside? I know many people who have gone and my mothers friend knows the owner.
As far as the price of cigarettes, I agree they’re outrageous. However, that’s due to being heavily taxed because the city of NY just has it out for smokers and is trying to make it as difficult as possible to buy them. The price hike has nothing to do with privately owned stores selling them and is intentionally making them hard to buy for the working class in order to reduce smoking.
Your arguments both fail on so many levels.
Perfect. Those are facts.
wow researching via Wikipedia is really great work!
“The Brooklyn location was established in 1887 as “Carl Luger’s Café, Billiards and Bowling Alley” in the then predominantly German neighborhood which would shortly thereafter be in the shadow of the Williamsburg Bridge.[3][4]”
Oh so it was a German neighborhood – so you think it was rich? Or did you go even further than Wikipedia.
wow I made you do research?
I fell great.
Who cares why cigs are so expensive. The point is that they are expensive. And you agree to that. So is $13 is expensive, then is $7 that bad to a chocoholic?
Thank you for your post. Actual reason there and not a single swear-word!
Diehipster – I hate hipsters too. All I’m trying to do on this is say that there are people who look like hipsters but they are not hipsters. Like the Mast Brothers. They are doing something. But I just can’t get that point across so I will just keep posting it again and again. One day you will see. Also Diehipster – you’re not putting in as many swear-words? What is happening? Are you feeling okay? Do you want me to get you a job? I got Mike Fountain…a.k.a. Bill a job interview. I feel so good now.
oh poor diehipster am I neglecting your other beautiful posts? lugers is an overpriced steak house that caters to the rich. oh but they are okay cause they have lasted so long. but the mast bros have only been there 5 years so they suck. and cigs are overpriced. who cares why. people deal w it like you have to deal w 7 dollar chocolate bars. I want you for the doc. I will black you out a la banksys film.
Seems that I put you in your place regarding Lugers and Cigs.
Also, of course you’re negelecting my other beautiful posts. It’s impossible for you to defend these sheep and so easy to for me expose them for the phony fucks that they are. Go ahead give it a shot. Defend the spaghettio sheep. Go through the archives and find people you can defend like your Mast Sisters. Enjoy your $10 dollar working class neighborhood chocolate while you look up census info from the mid 90′s, a time when you were climbing in and out of your tree house in suburbia while mommy whipped up some s’mores for you using Hersheys.
You put me in my place by saying “who cares about cigs and everyone smokes cigs?”
I am not going to defend the Spaghettio sheep unless I read about them and think that I can. Anyway it’s like the death penalty – you prove that one person was fried who was innocent and all of a sudden the whole system gets questioned. Your website is my death penalty.
at least I know how to back up my argument w facts and not hatred. neiner neiner nierer
What’s with your obsessive defense of those two bearded inbred mutants who sell 10 candy bars for $92? Are you banging them? Shouldn’t you be out finding your dad and sis a job instead? Maybe the Mast Bros next epic schooner journey need some mateys – put in a good word for them.
FOR THE RECORD -
Ed supports his family with the money he makes working 12 hours a day 6 days a week.
I don’t think the point of this conversation is about the Mast Brothers anymore. Its about people’s anger towards rich people taking over poor people’s turf.
I think Ed presented the video because these guys are doing something unique in the chocolate world. They are craftsmen and they support the small communities in South America and Africa from where they buy the beans from. WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT THAT???
Nothing wrong with that….except that he is a filthy fuckwad interloping pompous talentless sack of shit that is one node on a wretched slime wave that is mindlessly sucking the life out of the communities it infests.
Otherwise, nothing wrong with it,.
And on behalf of the other 5.9 billion humans who work and support families…
[parenthetical shouted remark: WHY DO YOU HIPSTER SCUMBAGS INSIST ON THINKING THAT YOU ARE THE FIRST ONES TO HAVE DISCOVERED ANYTHING, EVEN (LMFAO) WORKING FOR A LIVING??? STFU MORONS!]
…no one gives a fuck that he works. Really they don’t. Just STFU and GTFO, loser.
Fuck you and fuck your $10 doo doo bars, schmuck.
thanks Rebbe for giving me that point! I love you. She didn’t say I discovered it or claim to or feel elite because I do. But that I am like you in that I’m just another run of the mill White Person living in the over entitled land of the U.S.A.
“They are craftsmen and they support the small communities in South America and Africa from where they buy the beans from.”
That’s what EVERY chocolate maker does. Do the Mast Bros think they just discovered Africa and South America and are the only ones who use their cocoa crops? The only thing “unique” about these mutants, is that they dress up like deranged Amish farmers and charge $92 BUCKS FOR 10 PIECES OF CHOCOLATE. This is done under the guise of “olde world tradition” in a part of Brooklyn where generation working class families are just scraping by nowadays as overpriced, elitist, yuppie specialty shops are being forced in their faces. Fuck off.
actually Bill, or rather Mike Fountain, read the article from my roommate that was posted on here. A lot of chocolate bars can’t even be called chocolate. Not every chocolate maker gets there stuff from a thing called “NATURE.”
No, you don’t.
Yeah, yeah, blah blah….If you can’t wow us with the facts then bedazzle us with bullshit.
Statements about “immiment demise in the environment ” and about billionaires/capitalism are boilerplater cliches. Your arguments about Lugers and cigs are non-sequiters.
You’re a shallow ignoramus defending a point from a purely emotional perspective and masking it with a veneer of intellectualism. And you got called out on it. Your response is a childish declaration of “I win anyway ’cause I said so!”
But thats what happens when you start out from an unearned elitist belief that all NY natives are dumb townies who would never see through your arrested development, attention seeking antics. Or that we wouldn’t notice you’re not anywhere near as intelligent as you pretend to be.
However this is pearls before the swine. You were all conditioned since childhood to believe that you’re all “gifted” and “creative” in spite of evidence to the contrary then react with passive aggressive rage when challenged.
It’s very telling how callous you are regarding the working people and their jobs you drive out of the neighborhood so that it can be “improved” with your wonderful presence.
You have no worries.
If you plans turn to shit, then just scamper back off to mommy and daddy in suburbia. Don’t concern yourself with the mess you leave behind.
It’s no wonder why you and your ilk are as hated as you are. Nobody likes a pompous asshole here anymore than they did from where you came from.
Don’t it suck when you not only lose and argument but you’re exposed as a fool to boot?
wow talk about intellectual masterbation. what did you just say? That I was told I was gifted when I was younger? How did you know? Actually I was almost sent to special ed… I had an unremarkable childhood until 4th grade when I did Odyessey of the Mind and won an award for creativity. Sponsored by IBM! I love how you guys try to create backstory for me time and time again. Why? How come I don’t create your backstory? Cause I look at what your saying and stay at that.
Please tell me you people aren’t still arguing with that Eddie LOSER.
I looked at his website. After I finished puking from the homepage with the standard fucking lame peeling paint hipster aesthetic [sic], I looked at some samples.
I puked some more. The airhead yoga teacher. The faux anthropologist documenting “grassroots” business. And the pathetic talentless cookie cutter indie windbag “bands” [SIC!]
Then I puked some more.
I’ll look at it again later, after lunch, so I can puke some more.
Hey Eddie, here’s a brucha for ya:
GO FUCK YOURSELF, LOSER. And get the fuck outta Brooklyn.
Have a nice day.
If Ed leaves brooklyn, all the local non-hispter businesses will have one less customer. His polish landlord will probably rent the apartment to a hipster that we all cringe about.
if all the hipsters moved out, you would still find something to hate on. You are fueled by hate. Do you have any religion in you? Do you have a soul? Can you see that what Ed does for a living is not the root of the problem? He is an honest man making money to support him and his family. And what do YOU do? Do you support your family? Do you support yourself and contribute to peace in your community? Because you are not showing it.
Ed does this more than any man i know.
And remember we have Ed to thank for starting this epic and important debate.
Anger and racism and hate fueled by stereotypes doesn’t solve anything.
Your hate and everyone else’s hate are adding to the problem.
And if you respond to this with hate you are just proving my point.
What are you Ed’s fucking momma?
FUCK YOU.
GET OUT OF BROOKLYN.
smart. real smart.
use your head.
“And if you respond to this with hate you are just proving my point.”
Except, moron…YOU HAVE NO FUCKING POINT. I know that in 21st Century hipster culture, PATHETIC,ILLOGICAL, INFANTILE MORONIC “WAH WAH WAH POOR ME” WHINING is considered “making a point,” but that doesn;t hold true in the real adult world.
So once again, you talking anus….shut the fuck up.
Wow, I think I made Ed cry.
Yes. I actually am his mother. So you just called a woman a moron who talks through her anus. Did your mother bring you up to talk this way?
FUCK YOU HO.
You should be fucking slapped for raising such a greedey, stupid ass ,worthless piece of shit like your son ED the “videographer”.
Shame on you.
where did you get such a nasty mouth?
I GOT IT AT A LITTLE BOUTIQUE CALLED YOU ARE A HO…
Pay attention before you talk through your anus. I was the one who called you a moron who talks through your anus.
And you should be considered lucky mein dear departed momma, blessed be her memory, isn’t around to tear you an additional anus.
Rebbe how old are you?
Aw c’mon Rabbi! I was just trying to drive these losers over the edge and offing themselves. Things have been a kinda slow around the yard and I’m just trying to drum up a little business for myself as well as a public service!
The Reb. gets a little worked up. Heh, heh, heh….but good intel.
Ah, good work Grave Digger. Please claim the stinking corpse at the checkout counter at your earliest convenience.
haha – you can’t stop looking at it. You must really love me. Do you want to meet up Rebbe so I can make love to you? I will tie you up. You will love it.
haha rebbe! I love you. you have a soft side. by accident you admitted the mast bros were okay because they are supporting africa and south america by importing products from them. oooh you are so sweet. email me so I can kiss you. oh my website is so lame. so lame. you are so right. I love your lame self loathing hipster rhetoric. I’m sorry at some point 5 years ago someone called you a hipster cause you’re not. love love love you. why does someone like lee jones who can argue without regressing to 1st grade deal with this site? why does anyone? I liked it better when robert only did freewilliamsburg and complained at night to me about the new hipster. things were so easy back then
you also know what’s funny…most activity on this site is m thru f during the work hours. meaning you guys are at an office job pretending you’re working. you’re probably all fantasizing about being tough and use this language to make up for the fact that you get your ass kicked all the time in public.
hey also saying your gonna kill me is a hate crime. I’m black gay and jewish so guess what….all you guys are about to receive a little piece of paper in the mail. your friend robert sold you out too. everyone who hasn’t emailed me yet please do and apologize. I have everyones ip address. have a nice day!
my lawyer is thrilled right now!!
PUSSIFIED worthless ho.
I am unhip is cool too. she won’t get sued.
josh you are full of anger but I love your posts. you won’t get a letter from my puerto rican polish italian lawyer.
Ed you fucking schmuck:
The site is called Diehipster.
You are a hipster.
Do the math. Fuck you and your lawyer.
Awwww he doesn’t like you.
Rebbe you wish you could post as eloquently and with as much fire as Josh did.
just to make sure everyone knows I’m joking right? I just got a few emails. guys you don’t need to worry. please don’t email me more about it. sorry about that!
As if anyone believed you or emailed you. Pussy.
Bill is a bigger pussy. Here’s a piece of his email to me…
“Anyway as you know its a fantasy and all that and things go too far sometimes. Want to make sure there’s no hard feelings.”
And here’s Hipsternator,
“LISTEN MAN I’M SORRY – YOU KNOW ITS ALL JUST KIND OF JOKE. I’M SORRY. I REALLY AM.”
I quit this discussion. You all don’t want to find a solution. You just want to use this place as a way to measure each other’s dicks. Well they are all wiggly stubs.
Every time someone says something fair you find some way to turn it against them.
The reality is that these problems aren’t going to go away until we find a way to talk about it reasonably.
Despite all the hate you have. Prove you are a real man and talk like one. Or got back to your mother.
The only problem we on this site care about going away is YOU. Say bye bye, loser.
“Well they are all wiggly stubs. ”
Hahahhahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
But not yours, right mamma? Im sure you got a big 12 incher.
“The reality is that these problems aren’t going to go away until we find a way to talk about it reasonably. ”
NO BITCH WHEN YOU CAN BE HONEST ABOUT YOUR HIDEOUS GREEDY CALLOUS PROCLIVITIES;
WHEN YOU STOP CONSUMING THE SHITHEEL FANTASY…
WHEN YOU PROVE YOU CAN DO MORE THAN JUST TALK SHIT AND CASH DADDY’S CHECKS…..
WHEN YOU CAN ACT LIKE A GROWN-UP AND HAVE A REAL DISCUSSION…NOT THREATEN PEOPLE WHEN YOU GET MODED…..
THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT REASONABLY….
YOU LOST HO!
Hahahahhahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahoooooohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohooooo
why do you assume i am that person?
you are feeding your own fire. you’re embarrasing yourself. you would never say this in public. you are hidden by your fake name. you aren’t even man to show yourself.
you lose.
The EDBOT is now blabbering incoherently and pus is coming out of his ass. The ref calls the fight.
You better get to Church and start praying to your god, cuz YOU”RE GOING TO HELL, you fucking retarded two balled bitch….
Hahahahhahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
FUCK YOU HO!
look in the mirror.
Oh, still here???? I thought you’d be busy wiping your son’s ass…
I love Josh – you had one really good post. What happened?
Awwwwwwww, somebody’s feeling just got hurt! About to cry again? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Fuuuuuuccccck you!
Blame yourself you tool. You’re just too dumb to realize you got your ASS handed to you and you just keep comming back for more! Another sock puppet bites the dust.
-”Every time someone says something fair you find some way to turn it against them. ”
That’s because your cut-and-paste cliches are absurd and indefensible. You just spout some ideological masturbation that you don’t really understand so it’s not surprising you can’t defend it. Thinking isn’t your strong suit. Maybe you should let the rabbit type your posts.
-”You just want to use this place as a way to measure each other’s dicks. Well they are all wiggly stubs.”
No, that’s YOUR obsession not ours.
Hey whatever happened to the being jealous of your happy, fulfilling social life meme?
-”Despite all the hate you have. Prove you are a real man and talk like one. Or got back to your mother.”
Big talk from a guy with mental problems comming out of his asshole who hides behind sock puppets.
So you’re giving up now? Alright then. Bye-bye loser! Go cry yourself to sleep.
BTW, if you commit suicide, before you off yourself, be sure to tell whomever is going to arrange your funeral that I can get them a GREAT deal on an edgy, urban, localy made, organic, fair trade coffin! Tell all the hispters!
Hahahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahhahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
This guy is sounding more and more like Stevie.
This is soooo similar to the shit he pulls. Finally when he gets backed in to an inescapable corner…he says shit like this….
TYPICAL
Yep, I was actually thinking the same thing a few posts back. All the “love you” and “all the activity on this site” stuff? Totally Stevie…
Speaking of Steve Lame, there are all types of “elect steve lampi” signs all over Brooklyn Park, which is out by where I work. I sure hope this isn’t one of Stevie Lame’s aliases…
http://www.stevelampi.com/
Naw, Stevie can’t get her leg over for more than a cut and paste.
Plus, HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
You got the same shit going on over there! WHAT A FUCKING CRAZY ASS CO-INKY-DINK!
You guys finally figured that out? Ed hasn’t posted on her for over like two weeks.
Please leave Ed alone. This comment board is much funnier and way less annoying without him. Sorry Ed.
Agreed. Like most of his species (Hipster nonsapiens imbecilis), he doesn’t really want an answer. He wants to get in the last word so he can claim victory.
That’s right Texas. Thank you Strongpunch. Thank you.
328 comments, is this the largest thread on DH to date?
I hope so.
hey guys I’m back! guess what I learned today…that the mast bros pay taxes. local taxes. so get this…by being in brooklyn they are helping the local community. isn’t that crazy? so by not having their factory in india and their off shore account in the caymen islands they are actually helping. akso do you know what I learned today? that their chocolate cost 7 dollars and get this…. a cheeseburger at kelloggs diner…the working class diner in town cost 11 dollars! woow! can u believe things cost that nowadays?
you know what else I learned? that you care more aboit me than most people. cause you’re trying to teach me the truth. underneath all the hatred is goodness. wow. thank you! love steve
Hey everyone – guess what I came here to show you that there are good hipsters and bad hipsters and it took me a while, but I won my argument. I haven’t had a good style debate like this in a while.
Your reasons that the Mast Brothers are bad for the world were the following:
1. overpriced.
2. don’t help the local community
3. transplants.
I destoryed the argument with the following three examples:
Pete Lugers, cigs being $13 a pack vs mast brothers $7 a pack, that they pay local taxes and support the African and South American chocolate market, and that Peter Lugers commits all the same crime that Mast Brothers do and that they are transplants too, but from a 100 years ago. Peter Lugers saves all because Mast Brothers, if they survive for 100 years, will be an identical business to them.
Attacking a small business, any small business that is a legal entity , is almost akin to defending Hitler – you can go for it, try it, try to be as smart as possible about it, but in the end, you are never going to win any arguments.
And just because they have beards doesn’t mean anything. The small business is one of the things we all agree we want to defend. We don’t want any more small stores going away because we all love the diversity that comes from them. Yet Mast Bros presents a unique dilemna for you guys – it’s part of the problem (the hipster world) and yet it’s a unique business. Craft chocolate.
You can try and try all day to destroy the argument but this threatens your black and white treatment of hipsters. You see a beard, you see an Appalachian 1980s train-conductor look, and you get upset. But then all of a sudden you have to think twice.
I’m starting to feel a lot like Jesus. Every stone you threw at me. Wow – it felt really good actually. Like I was fighting for something worth something.
And you have changed me. I look at my Dad’s chauffeur differently now.
No but honestly here’s a few more things to learn from me:
1. As soon as you start swearing and insulting and threatening me with death – that makes you automatically lose.
2. You guys opened up the discussion a lot more than I thought and I love it. It’s actually now going to be part of the show on NPR which is great. And actually one of the reasons I came on here. I will tell you if it airs. It’s looking good.
3. The internet is a giant bathroom stall. Without putting your name or who you are on here you can pretend to be whomever you want. Except I now know the identities of Bill and Josh and hipsternaminator. I’m kind of suprised about Bill. The other two not really as much but that’s okay.
4. How many comments does this one have? Is it at it’s all-time high yet? That’s all I care about, you fucking idiots. That’s why I posted this link on your site. I wanted hits.
“Except I now know the identities of Bill and Josh and hipsternaminator.”
SO STEVIE, YOU TINY DICKED LOSER, WHAT IS MY REAL NAME???
WHERE DO I LIVE???
WHO DO I WORK FOR???
HOW OLD AM I????
CAN YOU GET EVEN ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS RIGHT???
Hey Ed?
How come, if you are such a prolific filmmaker, you have all the time in the world to come out and argue your stupid crap like a little baby?
Why are you not out there making films and saving the world?
If it is you (and not Steve Lame which I think it is and he’s a loser anyway) you’re a bigger fucking loser than Stevie is.
Just wait until you’re going to some diploma mill because you get free bus passes.
I going to cut and paste the following email sent to me from Diehipster.
“Ed, honestly I think this has to stop. It’s getting really annoying. I think you’re in some ways right about the Mast Brothers – there are worse hipsters in the world. Please go away. You’re so fucking annoying. I mean it. Like FUCKING FUCKING annoying. Please just stop.”
[...] And finally we come to the Mast Bros. original shoppe in Bushwick in 1920. This photo was snapped just before filthy, itchy, lice infested beards were in style amongst the pseudo artisanal, creative, sheepishly uniformed types. As you can see they had not yet come up with the idea of sailing in cacao beans from distant lands and making chocolate. This idea would come about in the mid-1930′s. At this point in time they were only selling local fruit and vegetables at discount prices such as 3 peaches for $15.00 or 3 pears for $20.00 or a jar of strawberry jam for $30.00. By 1934 their chocolate making operation was in full swing and the hard working people of Brooklyn … [...]